Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (rly-mb12.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.170]) by air-mb03.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMB031-d444a6662d33ac; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:52:55 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb12.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB128-d444a6662d33ac; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:52:37 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MTQ3X-000123-HL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MTQ3X-00011u-4s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:39 +0100 Received: from que11.charter.net ([209.225.8.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MTQ3G-0002jt-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:51:22 +0100 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090722004141.BZJO2647.mta31.charter.net@imp10> for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id Johg1c00P1p78xe05ohhZW; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:41 -0400 Message-ID: <4A666044.6090405@charter.net> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:41:40 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MTPIE-2555Oq0@fwd08.t-online.de> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop (was Re: IGBT in 136 KHz TX?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Ha-Jo, That's one way to look at it, and a valid approach. But consider another example: Suppose you have a single-turn loop that has an (arbitrary) impedance of 0.1 +j10 ohms at a frequency of interest, and you desire to make it look like a 10-turn tuned loop. A 1:10 transformer will provide the same voltage step-up as a 10-turn loop, and will ideally step the impedance up by 10^2 = 100, giving you 10 +j1000 ohms. You would then have an option of series or parallel tuning the loop on either side of the transformer. The secondary side is much nicer for our use than the primary side. Parallel tuning would be a good choice into a hi-z input preamp. Series tuning would leave you with the 10 ohm resistance, which you could then step up to the characteristic impedance of your line, or leave at a lower value if BW were an issue. In the above case, I'd suggest a primary inductance on the transformer of 5X the magnitude of the loop impedance, but your 4X would probably do. Leakage reactance is pretty much inevitable, and will throw things off a bit. There's all sorts of ways to approach this, depending on your desire for tuning, etc. But I just wanted to point out that the much simpler single turn construction can work just as well as multi-turn. John, W1TAG hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de wrote: > Dear John, LF, > > I would like especially to comment on using a one winding loop combined > with a step-up transformer: