Return-Path: Received: from rly-md07.mx.aol.com (rly-md07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.145]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-91749fdef8a117; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:25:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD077-91749fdef8a117; Sun, 03 May 2009 15:25:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M0hI0-00048l-Ul for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:23:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M0hI0-00048c-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:23:52 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M0hHy-00028A-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 May 2009 20:23:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 52404 invoked from network); 3 May 2009 19:23:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=qS8wqtozLmAJK6f79CiBZ211PxRQeuB2oqWxn4usQg2rQ599PzEdpkICpM8sEvz//XP2ADlZDxnq5qX/aQisgaDmd0QvJY6uk14UYuYM5GdUSOXAvQ0Sen0vc1mjk62wyugdzAXLukTfEj91KkFRnaM7Qmc0oh0FcKT2RqJivbc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.110.22 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 May 2009 19:23:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: KNdXAQwVM1liTOZ.ySR0aoPE1ZPA2LCeLg8W9OVKyhYLj2wej4xy0GFxJwtKjUzgNQ9woOphDbv0y47eRb7jNF.jpkKtCqfyQGBvDTx.KiGnEsMWGJpfGQz5z4i8vjkhR9dGLuB0GDRIFIDbXc0L7mW09Dd_JebxcLyu99pJp84dcg9NcYw2Xa0jkgCFe6Y191J.FM8Nw2sEW1V8d4ySmuXP1alPMG0UmVUwP7n0baPflg2sgz69kxIHu1mqCnifDOIV7oB3_b24lTIQg8PrM8zRfB.Cdmy3Eg7ojWZLHPEAP6x8LpQMKZie28a4VO1rWRgDqjf_HpLRSMx0fQUolzo- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <260286.17766.qm@web28508.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:23:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter - advice needed Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Chris, LF Group, Looking at the circuit, there are not that many possibilities for varying gain with temperature. The NE/SA 602/612 devices should be quite stable with temperature - the Philips data shows less than 1dB variation over 0 - 70 degrees. But if the oscillator level is marginal, gain might vary more. The 741 output amplifier is working at high gain, and low supply voltage, so might possibly be marginal. This would be worse if it were driven into clipping - unlikely if output V less than 1V RMS or so. The 2N3819 gain might vary quite a lot with temperature, depending on how it is biased, and the particular specimen of 2N3819. The RC low-pass filter might show significant variation with temperature if high-K ceramic capacitors with particularly wild temperature coefficients were used. The ferrite rod antenna is a possibility, especially if the tuning is fixed as shown in the circuit diagram. The Q and temperature coefficient of these can be quite high, so a temperature change could cause it to drift off frequency and change the signal level - with a Q of 200, about 1kHz change in frequency would be sufficient. I would suggest doing a bit of signal tracing - for example, disconnecting the RF stage and injecting a signal directly into the mixer would eliminate the ferrite rod and 2N3819. Another possibility would be to try heating up components individually, e.g. with a fingertip or a soldering iron, to see where large changes occur. Or, with the ferrite rod, try re-peaking the tuning after changing the temperature to see if there has been a shift in the tuning. Hope this is helpful, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Osborn" To: "LF Group" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter - advice needed