Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD042-91a4a1c4d6127; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD082-91a4a1c4d6127; Tue, 26 May 2009 16:13:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M930P-0006kF-QF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M930P-0006k6-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: from smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.16]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M930N-0005cQ-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 7655 invoked from network); 26 May 2009 20:12:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=Lr410E7MNzitS17J8gFc8AiQfcboMT6WHnAP9/qUqyGI77ALvI2XdyNUYMVxXtt2c/+SMa/y6Ai7asf3UvD+Q9lC+lrQE3iA6cBAEnMDhAvM9zNVLpWThxAoWBVsmXYEg/a3NPggSQEun4F4fwaz/3vpf3EShmsM6yNUj5dpCQY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.34 with login) by smtp816.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2009 20:12:04 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .rTn3pAVM1lW5rXUSdiZj04HmFWs2yNG2HnEgyHNfnOGrfVjDvncmqCcquKvlsFC2a5frNMQBL.qLzh1Bn9.QS1n.MKiC_MKSxAj59furGXvFyIRIAOFl5xHkSNNLsw5SGFUA_Rznv5V35r2V789GHjoSSdXdfIzaiD9QcsgCp3nFHccNi5VU1WAav8K0jxhqonuWCqNkxBox1urcoI6xfv0 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "James Moritz" To: References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:12:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G0MRF QRV Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear David, LF Group, Thanks for the QSO on Sunday, and the details of the experiment. > We started off with a reference antenna - A 9m vertical with a 5m top > section ... the poor ground made it very inefficient, with 100 W from the > transmitter generating an unimpressive 125mA of antenna current. Assuming the transmitter was matched to the antenna and delivering the full 100W, the resistive component of the antenna impedance to get 125mA works out to a remarkable 6400 ohms, which seems a little suspicious, and would require a very poor ground indeed! The lambda/4 top load giving antenna current of 1A at the same power amounts to a resistance of 100 ohms - a remarkable reduction, if the ground system was the same. ... I expected the 'shortening > effect' to be much greater. Perhaps this was a good indication that as I > suspected the 'ground' under the antenna was either a considerable > distance > from the surface or, operating from a hilltop had an advantage Or it could be that the effective ground was so close to the actual ground level that most of the antenna's fields were in the air, and only a minor shortening effect was present - the antenna might then be modelled as an open-circuit quarter wave transmission line stub, with the wire as one conductor and the ground as the other, rather lossy, conductor. ...our final plan to turn the whole thing into a > single horizontal dipole mounted along the ridge of a hilltop had to be > abandoned as one of the 2 fields suddenly acquired a large flock of > sheep. > ...Reminds me of the Puckeridge Decca site, with the flock of sheep charging around in the dark and rain, for their own reasons! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU