Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg01.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG011-a314a1829448f; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:50:20 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG093-a314a1829448f; Sat, 23 May 2009 12:50:14 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M7uPg-0004Oh-D8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:49:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M7uPf-0004OY-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:49:35 +0100 Received: from mail-ew0-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M7uPd-00064W-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 May 2009 17:49:35 +0100 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so2807189ewy.4 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=uYVav9Yl6jYxYQDCkiaucPvnIFtfi9Ii8xl6JjwzOc8=; b=MMgh9qrVSOjCWDt7DYRkV+ETUvPPZkHIeIbKJ++c5jssRTBLeq9BAvLiJ9UtYfeMCm v0jFu39DwppW9m1XMzQvsd0IRaAJs0hBUAzjEET73YK5RlK/5GdvxzZha8+M//yI6YZb IwKmzOMTbRzjfB7Kghsz9XI4NFGcDT2KGfs4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=xJRn3yc5Si8lxcun/cnU6bJW9dZ4HvlFcsnB8o5FIEN/TI5ohx1JvRGuvCef1XgPJg qgMqgTwZpge7ycJ4MyNfsasdO+X0qW2aIElG6EE/TkaQkCGSokYQrEQ++fwcrQonTYZ2 fVyP2PwrqrPbZhUuM9Sjeph93O6dqfW9W+yzI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.53.12 with SMTP id f12mr1065288wec.72.1243097368164; Sat, 23 May 2009 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> References: <4A181EEC.5050600@btconnect.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:49:28 +0100 Message-ID: <8bf118410905230949w19e40e09x2a6f0ac77c72287a@mail.gmail.com> From: Dave Pick To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: First Portable Trip Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d244.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, you were therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical section getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with QRP! I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local? Dave 2009/5/23 Richard Newstead > Not a great success. Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed > against 3 radials each between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very > low - within 1 metre of the ground. > > Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping > the feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q > dramatically and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations > where the RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no > aerial current on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna > current was nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence > detuned things so much that I go nowhere like that. > > Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - just. > Called CQ quite a few times. No takers. > > Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible > "line-timebase" type burble drifting across band. > > Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips? > > 73 > > Richard > G3CWI > > > -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --0016e6daa7d30cf970046a972992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard

Just think topband with the dimensions scaled accordingly, yo= u were therefore using a 50ft inverted L with a less than 2m high vertical s= ection getting lower.... and 12W. I think a kite is the only way with QRP! I saw something on the grabber though, round about 2pm local?

Dave
2009/5/23 Richard Newstead <g3cwi@btconnect.com>
Not a great success= . Tried a 200ft inverted L with 7m vertical section fed against 3 radials ea= ch between 50 and 100ft long. The final 100ft was very low - within 1 metre=20= of the ground.

Did not succeeded in tuning aerial up in link configuration. Tried tapping t= he feeder at various points on the main coil but this reduced the Q dramatic= ally and the RX and TX performance were very poor. In configurations where t= he RX performance was good and the Q high, there was little on no aerial cur= rent on transmit. The only configuration that gave some antenna current was=20= nearly useless on receive. Connecting a radial to a metal fence detuned thin= gs so much that I go nowhere like that.

Heard GW0HXO's beacon at reasonable strength and GW3UEP's beacon - j= ust. Called CQ quite a few times. No takers.

Band was still noisy even on relatively remote hilltop with horrible "l= ine-timebase" type burble drifting across band.

Clearly more work required to get a viable system. Tips?

73

Richard
G3CWI





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