Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (rly-dg02.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.86]) by air-dg07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG074-5aa4a11ba77a9; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:44:19 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg02.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG025-5aa4a11ba77a9; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:43:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M68jf-0001Jn-Ix for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M68je-0001Je-WE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:55 +0100 Received: from imr-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M68jc-0004r8-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:42:54 +0100 Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-d03.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN1-24a11b9f1161; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:37 -0400 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id l.cb0.4135fb56 (34922) for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.154]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-5c3c4a11b9e691; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:30 -0400 Received: from webmail-dd01 (webmail-dd01.webmail.aol.com [205.188.104.1]) by smtprly-db03.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB032-5c3c4a11b9e691; Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g0mrf@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 42951-STANDARD Received: from 87.80.206.159 by webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.104.1) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Mon, 18 May 2009 15:41:26 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,FORGED_AOL_TAGS, HTML_20_30,HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CBA607C487A4FC_157C_2AF_webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k=C2=A0QSOs both= involved stations south of Watford.=C2=A0 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=C2=A0 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to=20= know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=C2=A0 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=C2=A0 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.=C2=A0 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all=20= gone QRT, all active on CW.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 G3KEV=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =C2=A0 To: =C2=A0 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=C2=A0 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hi Warren,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 depends on what you call a neighbour.=C2=A0 In the early days of 136kHz I worked=3D2 0stations up to 400km under=C2=A0 similar conditions.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Tnx Laurence,=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=C2=A0 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 73 Warren K2ORS=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China > wr= ote:=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites -=20= >> fyi=C2=A0 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=C2=A0 >> Hi Laurence=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=C2=A0 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last= =C2=A0 >> month.=C2=A0 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >> w= ith=C2=A0 >> any station.=C2=A0 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=C2=A0 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=C2=A0 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=C2=A0 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=C2=A0 >> 73=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! 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And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs= both involved stations south of Watford. 

Dream on Crazy diamond.

David
Early U= K experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area= . This info appeared in the LF comic at the time. 
Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do.



-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

This is a meaningless argument about 25 wat= ts and range on LF. One needs to know about the actual antenna in use and th= e resulting ERP. 
Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136= and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in th= at area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time. 
Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scot= land and still do. 
There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now all=20= gone QRT, all active on CW. 
 
G3KEV 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> 
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org> 
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM 
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops 
 
Hi Warren, 
 
depends on what you call a neighbour. 
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under 
similar conditions. 
 
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T 
 
Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.= com>: 
 
> Tnx Laurence, 
> 
> If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will&nbs= p;
> have to get some of his neighbors on. 
> 
> 73 Warren K2ORS 
> 
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> > wrote: =
>> 
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info si= tes - >> fyi 
>> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A 
>> 
>> 
>> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi 
>> Hi Laurence 
>> 
>> Thanks for your e-mail. 
>> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho= ) last 
>> month. 
>> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QS= O >> wit h 
>> any station. 
>> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz. 
>> So if you find my signal please QSL me. 
>> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. 
>> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. 
>> 73 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about s= torage limits. >> Check 
>> it out. 
>> _________________________________________________________________&n= bsp;
>> Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE.  >> http://windows= live.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1= _052009 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73 Warren K2ORS 
> WD2XGJ 
> WD2XSH/23 
> WE2XEB/2 
> WE2XGR/1 
> 
> 
 
 
 
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