Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (rly-dc05.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.34]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b214a01feff20d; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:20:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc05.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC055-b214a01feff20d; Wed, 06 May 2009 17:20:00 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oWH-0008OI-Bo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:13 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M1oWG-0008O9-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:12 +0100 Received: from mout3.freenet.de ([195.4.92.93]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M1oWF-0006x3-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 22:19:12 +0100 Received: from [195.4.92.21] (helo=11.mx.freenet.de) by mout3.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #88) id 1M1oVF-00072Q-L4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:18:09 +0200 Received: from w33ee.w.pppool.de ([89.58.51.238]:1183 helo=2a2d7ed321c6425) by 11.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID beckmann.erlangen@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1M1oVD-0002IH-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 May 2009 23:18:09 +0200 From: "Beckmann, Gerhard" To: References: <200904031959.n33Jxrvn028438@smtpa1.mediabeam.com><20090504220936.59jcwemhlo004wkk@webmail4.kuleuven.be><01a401c9ccfd$f04e8640$6401a8c0@asus><20090504233650.cpq3ip6kir688ogo@webmail4.kuleuven.be><005d01c9cd6b$620ddc00$6401a8c0@asus><20090505121435.9F59DF3863@smtps02.kuleuven.be><20090505152548.71C37F3865@smtps02.kuleuven.be><00df01c9cdac$e9a407c0$6401a8c0@asus><20090505214422.o47capffyyb4oog0@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505221513.oso5g5yn6csgwsw4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505225610.msbh1wypf7cws8ks@webmail4.kuleuven.be><20090505234705.h93clwtj8o8o8kg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be><44C635CA641E4CA2BFEAEB12F09E3436@2a2d7ed321c6425><20090506220425.t1ys6qdod0ys0g88@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004001c9ce88$c0371800$6401a8c0@asus><20090506223954.39s1i4offfb4w44g@webmail4.kuleuven.be><004201c9ce8c$15a04ca0$6401a8c0@asus> <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail 4.kuleuven.be> Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:18:05 +0200 Message-ID: <351E24E134154160986CF3C5CC07321A@2a2d7ed321c6425> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <20090506225829.1vrsvh9ozjwcwog8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Thread-Index: AcnOje0UjfUyTI27TYOi0uUDPPUOAwAAeedg X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: AW: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=LINES_OF_YELLING autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello Rik, Gary strong QRM and QSB this evening. I only decoded a view fragments.... CQHCQ CQ O WUT OR7T OR7T Thanks for the test transmission! =20 73 de Gerhard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2009 22:58 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test I noticed. Last night I could see it on all 3 UK grabbers, tonight only faint =20 traces on at YXM 73, Rik Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > Rik, > > You signal not as strong tonight so far. > > Gary. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe > Sent: 06 May 2009 21:40 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test > > Gary, Gerhard, > > right now (20:35 UTC) I can see traces of my signal on the G3YXM > grabber and strong signals from Gary. > > 73, Rik > > on the > > Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >> Hi Rik & Gerhard, >> >> When Rik makes his CQ call I will attempt to make a 2 way contact using > the >> same settings. >> >> Any reports will be welcome. >> >> 73 >> >> Gary - G4WGT. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >> Sent: 06 May 2009 21:04 >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Subject: Re: AW: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >> >> Hello Gerhard, >> >> tonight I will call CQ on 503.5kHz starting 20:30 til 21:20 every 10 >> minutes. >> Same mode as yesterday. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >> >>> Hello Rik, >>> >>> Sorry, but wasn't able to answer earlier. >>> Well actually, please let me know when you will prepare the next RTTY > test >>> transmission and I will try to decode your signals. I am looking forward >> to >>> verify a new mode. >>> >>> Vy 73 de Gerhard / DK6NI >>> >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 23:47 >>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>> >>> Hello Gerhard, >>> >>> I will do a last transmission at 22:00 UTC >>> Otherwise we can try tomorrow (WX permitting) >>> >>> 73, Rik >>> >>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hello Rik, >>>> >>>> I have just installed MMTTY and playing with the settings and need one >>> more >>>> chance for decoding.... >>>> >>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI >>>> >>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:56 >>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>> Betreff: Re: AW: LF: RE: rtty test >>>> >>>> Hello Gerhard, >>>> >>>> thanks for the report, did you try to decode the RTTY ? >>>> >>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>> >>>> Quoting "Beckmann, Gerhard" : >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Rik, >>>>> >>>>> Your signal is fine visible on my waterfall, but with deep QSB-Phases. >>>>> >>>>> Vy 73 de Gerhard // DK6NI (JN59LN) >>>>> >>>>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>>>> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe >>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Mai 2009 22:15 >>>>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>> Betreff: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>> >>>>> Faint traces of my signal are showing up on the G4WGT grabber. >>>>> I will transmit every 10 minutes starting 20:40 UTC until 21:30 UTC >>>>> and listen inbetween. >>>>> >>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Rik Strobbe : >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Gary, LF, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just had a first transmission. >>>>>> I will try short transmissions every 10-15 minutes or so until my >>>>>> signal shows up un your grabber. Then I will start longer >> transmissions. >>>>>> >>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>> >>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK Rik, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will look at the settings you describe in MTTY to allow me to >>> monitor, >>>>> I >>>>>>> normally use TrueTTY. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the info. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe >>>>>>> Sent: 05 May 2009 16:26 >>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>> Subject: RE: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gary, LF, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just had a look at MMTTY and it seems pretty easy to set it to 50Hz >>>>>>> shift and 22Bd baudrate. >>>>>>> The way I did it: >>>>>>> 1. As a start select 23Hz RTTY (in "Profiles") >>>>>>> 2. In "Options" select "Setup MMTTY" >>>>>>> 3. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Shift" from 23 tot 50 (it is not >>>>>>> a standard option, but you can just type 50 into the field) >>>>>>> 4. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Mark" to a suitable value (that >>>>>>> is the audio frequency you get) >>>>>>> 5. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Discriminator Type" from VCO to >> FIR >>>>> BPF >>>>>>> 6. In the tab "Demodulator" change "Tap" from 72 to 256 >>>>>>> 7. In the tab "Demodulator" click on "OK" >>>>>>> 8. In the tab "Decode" change "BaudRate" from 45 tot 22 and click > "OK" >>>>>>> Steps 5-7 set demodulator type, the values above are the result of >>>>>>> some brief dry tests and can most likely still be optimized. You can >>>>>>> do that in the main screen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If WX permits (no rain) I intend to run some tests between 20:30 and >>>>>>> 21:30 UTC on 503.5kHz in mode USB (so if you listen in LSB don't >>>>>>> forget to select reverse mode). >>>>>>> I will announce the exact hours later this evening. >>>>>>> Between transmissions I will listen on the same frequency. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All reports (or replies) are welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 14:14 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a closer look at the 23Hz shift option of MMTTY and it seems >>>>>>>> to run at 45Bd what is on the edge regarding the shift/baudrate >>>>>>>> ratio. That is most likely the reason why it is not so robust. >>>>>>>> Using 45Bd at 85Hz shift would exceed the 100Hz bandwidth limit. >>>>>>>> I guess the best option for RTTY would be a shift around 50Hz and a >>>>>>>> lower baudrate (say 20Bd) what would well fit within the 100Hz >>>>>>>> bandwidth and would have a sufficient shift/baudrate ratio to >>>>>>>> provide a robust signal. >>>>>>>> I will see if I can get such signal out of MMTTY and - if time >>>>>>>> permits - run some tests tonight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:22 5/05/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You have experienced the same as I did with 23Hz shift, the signal >>>>> needs >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> be very strong to decode. It was in the last 2 minutes that I got >> the >>>>>>>>> partial decode. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A much better shift to use is the 85Hz which will fit into your >> spec. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have had good QSO's with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade both of us >>> using >>>>>>> 85Hz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Give that a try next time & I believe I will get a much better >> decode >>>>>>>>> judging by the strength of your signal. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik > Strobbe >>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 22:37 >>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: rtty test >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> call the is almost right, locator completely. >>>>>>>>> But not really impressive for 500mW ERP. >>>>>>>>> I could see my signal on your grabber, some slow QSB but strong for >>>>>>>>> the last 2 minutes or so. >>>>>>>>> I used MTTY with the profile "23Hz RTTY (MTTY)" without any further >>>>>>>>> changes, not sure that this is the best mode. >>>>>>>>> So any advice is welcome. >>>>>>>>> I have also installed MultiPSK, but am still overwhelmed by the >>> colors >>>>>>>>> and options. >>>>>>>>> I am allowed to use any digital mode as long as I stick to max. >> 100Hz >>>>>>>>> bandwidth. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Quoting Gary - G4WGT : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rik, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the best I could do, it looks like almost your call sign & >>>>>>> locator >>>>>>>>>> :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> RHTQHTST DE TC(TIOJ7T OR1T JO20IX >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gary - G4WGT. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik >> Strobbe >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 04 May 2009 21:10 >>>>>>>>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: LF: rtty test >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I will run a short (10 minute) rtty test (23Hz shift) on 503.500 > at >>>>>>> 21UTC >>>>>>>>>> Reports and/or reply welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > >