Return-Path: Received: from rly-df06.mx.aol.com (rly-df06.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.19]) by air-df06.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF063-55c49ef8919274; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:16:23 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df06.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF067-55c49ef8919274; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:16:11 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LwjmI-0004hM-KA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:14:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LwjmI-0004hD-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:14:46 +0100 Received: from smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.18]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LwjmG-0000Qk-4p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:14:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 80825 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2009 21:13:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole; b=o2rcgvb2J993FccDHCRqn7ZlhJmyc5HJJBYGEmMt7J2TSVxRVjDIe0RBXYJOs1gNZAcEodt86zIBwcs4QmQviYBk7iRBgt8VYCC+E1DktVLPjUgdh8UPI+e5ruc/Y6m7aqLw6tds5PNBlihNHveR1/VQqXjsTW0jyew/z3yZ4rg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.111.54 with login) by smtp818.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2009 21:13:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FSPHS1gVM1nivPsxw3uWiW1ZMp9Z2xR_aK5vLE1eTDIDxRSzmKUPutjHcuQDUxUtkHEj0qtd8RmkWrsYVtPrbURKBaQNpKh2a.L2Ifg_PJU8P36RftgKo.RvtkCN9iayxnRVdEhWOVR_uk7lRl78eRtGOtxZP6h3D6y0eL9ycAxfcJkdx2a4rRzPUwt.ZCEPZapk_MTFf9uZtsz8qQi8SgrY_xdTew0Rok4i9_H90f_QTipUbIBfcRC.GyqFWf_mMnnyYXhj2lkqwE7VyKd.XaQZ.5owi2VjpOunaKwjJgVmQzgEB6GL456G0EAPXVO967PtJfqyWoNO4v3edOrJojM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8E3E08B7BEE94365A30F8A0BDCF1051F@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <004701c9c36e$69d5fbe0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <004701c9c36e$69d5fbe0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:13:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: ERP Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Mal, LF Group, The ERP of the station is the most meaningful parameter for assesing the strength of the radiated signal. From the TX system design point of view, RF power is important, and for those interested in antennas, the value of antenna gain (at LF/MF, mostly the efficiency component of the gain) is of the greatest interest. Any one figure gives some information, but is only part of the picture. If you have any two of these figures, you can work out the third. Of course, some stations take the least meaningful option of quoting no figures at all! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "mal hamilton" To: "rsgb" Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:18 PM Subject: LF: ERP Why are the majority of 500 Kcs ops quoting so many watts RF. This is confusing, is this pwr DC input, RF to the antenna or what? I thought it was agreed to quote ERP, to quote otherwise is meaningless if one does not know the antenna gain. g3kev