Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (rly-dc02.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.31]) by air-dc05.mail.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILINDC054-b0b49bee0333d5; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:26:57 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc02.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC027-b0b49bee0333d5; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:26:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LjMCE-0007Wh-Hq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:26:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LjMCD-0007WY-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:26:13 +0000 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LjMCA-0002ez-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:26:13 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 807901C00084 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:25:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.61.111]) by mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 929FE1C00082 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:25:57 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20090316232557600.929FE1C00082@mwinf3401.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <916F3329CAA846A19B450540FCC7E0AB@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <009001c9a588$7eb02c60$6401a8c0@asus> <00e001c9a5a7$f07216a0$6401a8c0@asus> <826BA6086575402A8C87062492069F5A@AGB> <004501c9a623$a4bf81d0$6401a8c0@asus> <2ED02F4327204E3C903828F9E18AA72B@AGB> <001e01c9a665$ebeac870$6401a8c0@asus> <00be01c9a66e$c8bfdbc0$0900a8c0@AM> <004a01c9a677$2a8b48a0$6401a8c0@asus> <005101c9a679$df148f50$6401a8c0@asus> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:25:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8064.206 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8064.206 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_014F_01C9A68E.8EDFFAA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNSAFE,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C9A68E.8EDFFAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, Is there any way the slots could be filled using a pc ... ? if a small exe=20= could be run to make a cw pulse then that would be no problem ? G ..=20 From: Andy Talbot=20 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:36 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software See you just have - got quite a shock until I realised the noise had plummet= ed as well. Any takers for the 5 and 6 minute slots? Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT Andy, OK, I will insert an attenuator at the antenna socket (that=92s an easy mo= ve) & watch how it performs. It is switched at 10dB steps so I will start at= 10db of course. Cheers, Gary. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot Sent: 16 March 2009 20:45=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software Doesn't matter which - just total system gain. That S/W works best if the= noise threshold rides at about 10dB above the baseline, then it allows for= up to 70 - 80dB of signal peaks. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT Alan, When you wrote :- my only comment is that you may have too much gain in the system. Are you meaning sound card or receiver gain? Gary. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 16 March 2009 19:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software Hi Gary my only comment is that you may have too much gain in the system.=20= It is sometimes better to have the noise further down nearer the axis. I am afraid there is a major problem with this kind of beacon, when the fading period is shorter than the sampling interval, so you dont really kn= ow what the path is doing. The only reliable points are the peaks, the trough= s dont really mean anything without some very sophisticated analysis and probably two spaced receivers. However it does give a snapshot of the band without taking up too much bandwidth (this was what was required for 5MHz too). Despite all the data collected very little analysis has actually be done on the 5MHz data collected by this program. The one succesfull bit of work was that published in Radcom by Marcis Walden G0IJZ. I used it for so= me time whilst Andy was testing the Poldhu beacon on 160m and also during the 1st two months that ran. I was certainly surprised by the daytime path on 160m from here. I have seen the data collected in Canada via Joe Craig VO1= NA and it is difficult to see how to use it. Still if you dont collect the data you will never know!! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:35 PM Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback software > Hi Graham, LF, > > > > The original HTML Code for the 2 minute refresh is still inserted into t= he > page format, so upload is 30 minute intervals with Syncback & 2 minute > refresh. I have left the refresh in case I revert back to the original > grabber page. I will look at changing it if I continue to use the beacon > chart upload. > > > > I would like to have feedback from the LF group regarding the page, if y= ou > check it out periodically, is it useful to you, what are you looking for= . > > > > You can view the chart on my web site at :- > > > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > _____ > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 16 March 2009 17:20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software > > > > Hi Gary, > > > > The page seemed to refresh quite often ... are there two settings ? > > > > G .. > > > > From: Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:40 AM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback software > > > > Hi Graham, LF, > > > > You wrote :- > > >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute > intervals. <<< that could be backed off to 15 mins as the beacon only > sends every 15 ?? > > > > I mentioned in my previous mail to ignore the text on the page as it was > originally for grabber 1 for when I upgrade the web site (to a new desig= n & > better navigation etc), also mentioned is that upload is every 30 minute= s. > > > > If the uploaded chart proves useful or interesting to operators & viewer= s > then I will change the text & make it a permanent feature for the > foreseeable future. > > > > BTW :- > > > > For those of you who are not familiar with the chart - > > > > The RED trace is Andy's (G4JNT) beacon signal & the BLACK trace is the noise > level at my QTH. > > > > The Blue & GREEN are not in use & should be ignored on this chart as the= y > are for the other beacons used when monitoring on the 5MHz allocation. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gary - G4WGT > > > > > > _____ > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Graham > Sent: 15 March 2009 22:17 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software > > > > Gary.. > > > > That looks good ... 0500 looks best time for a qso .. see you then Smil= e > emoticon > > > > >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute > intervals. <<< that could be backed off to 15 mins as the beacon only > sends every 15 ?? > > > > the 15 db over the noise in day time is the same at this qth .. looks like > the big dips round 1900 where just when we where testing .. typical hi= hi > > > > tnx- G .. > > > > From: Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 7:55 PM > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Subject: LF: RE: Syncback software > > > > LF, > > > > I have now got the software, Syncback running correctly (I think). > > > > The purpose of this is to upload the chart from Andy's beacon as receive= d > here to my web site periodically, ie. every 30 minutes. > > > > I now have a receiver running 24/7 monitoring Andy,s beacon on 503.7KHz. > > > > You can view the chart on my web site at :- > > > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html > > > > For the moment ignore the text on the page as it is originally designed=20= to > use with the 500KHz grabber when I renew my web site design. If it is a > useful upload I will make it a permanent feature but may have to extend the > frequency coverage of grabber 1 so not to overload the PC with operation= s > which will cause the PC to struggle. > > > > Let me have your comments please. > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > _____ > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 15 March 2009 16:10 > To: LF -RSGB LF Group > Subject: LF: Syncback software > > > > Hi LF, > > > > If anyone is using Syncback software & can help, please. > > > > I am tying to upload a file to my website who's filename does not change= , > only the file size changes. I tried to do it with Argo-upload but failed so > I downloaded Syncback & still failing. > > > > Syncback gives me the following message :- > > > > ********************************** > > Can connect, but unable to change to destination directory: > > /chart01.bmp:not a directory > > ********************************** > > The Syncback help does not give me the answer. > > > > Any help will be appreciated > > > > Or > > > > Will Argo-Upload do it? > > > > Or > > > > Is there something else to do it? > > > > Thanks in anticipation, > > > > 73, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. > > > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/= 09 > 06:54:00 > > _____ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/= 09 > 14:07:00 > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 0= 7:04:00 ------=_NextPart_000_014F_01C9A68E.8EDFFAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy,
 
Is there any way the  slots could be f= illed=20 using a pc ... ? if a small exe could be run to  make a cw  pulse=20= then=20 that would be no problem ?
 
G ..

Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Syncback software

See you just have - got quite a shock until I realised the noise had=20 plummeted as well.
Any takers for the 5 and 6 minute slots?

Andy  G4JNT
= www.g4jnt.com


2009/3/16 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Andy,

<= /B> 

OK,=20 I will insert an attenuator at the antenna socket (that=92s an easy move)=20= &=20 watch how it performs. It is switched at 10dB steps so I will start at 10d= b of=20 course.

<= /B> 

Cheers,<= /FONT>

<= /B> 

Gary.

<= /B> 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:= owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
Sent: 16 March 2009 20:45=20


To: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Subje= ct: Re: LF: RE: Syncback=20 software

 

Doesn't=20 matter which - just total system gain.  That S/W works best if the no= ise=20 threshold rides at about 10dB above the baseline,  then it allows for= up=20 to 70 - 80dB of signal peaks.

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
Andy  G4JNT
www.g4jnt.com

2009/3/16=20 Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

Alan,

When you wrote :-

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">my only comment is that you may have too=20= much gain in=20 the system.

Are you=20 meaning sound card or receiver gain?

Gary.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org

[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan=20 Melia
Sent: 16 March 2009 19:38

<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject:=20= Re: LF: RE:=20 Syncback software

Hi Gary my only comment is that you may have too=20= much=20 gain in the system. It
is sometimes better to have the noise further do= wn=20 nearer the axis.

I am afraid there is a major problem with this kin= d of=20 beacon, when the
fading period is shorter than the sampling interval, s= o=20 you dont really know
what the path is doing. The only reliable points a= re=20 the peaks, the troughs
dont really mean anything without some very=20 sophisticated analysis and
probably two spaced receivers. However it do= es=20 give a snapshot of the band
without taking up too much bandwidth (this=20= was=20 what was required for 5MHz
too). Despite all the data collected very li= ttle=20 analysis has actually be
done on the 5MHz data collected by this progra= m.=20 The one succesfull bit of
work was that published in Radcom by Marcis=20 Walden G0IJZ. I used it for some
time whilst Andy was testing the Poldh= u=20 beacon on 160m and also during the
1st two months that ran. I was certa= inly=20 surprised by the daytime path on
160m from here. I have seen the data=20 collected in Canada via Joe Craig VO1NA
and it is difficult to see how=20= to=20 use it.

Still if you dont collect the data you will never=20 know!!

Alan G3NYK




----- Original Message=20 -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blackshe= ep.org>
Sent: Monday, March 16,=20 2009 6:35 PM
Subject: RE: LF: RE: Syncback software


> Hi=20 Graham, LF,
>
>
>
> The original HTML Code for the= 2=20 minute refresh is still inserted into the
> page format, so upload i= s 30=20 minute intervals with Syncback & 2 minute
> refresh. I have left= the=20 refresh in case I revert back to the original
> grabber page. I will= =20 look at changing it if I continue to use the beacon
> chart=20 upload.
>
>
>
> I would like to have feedback from= the=20 LF group regarding the page, if you
> check it out periodically, is=20= it=20 useful to you, what are you looking for.
>
>
>
> Y= ou=20 can view the chart on my web site at :-
>
>
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html
>
&= gt;
>
>=20 73
>
>
>
> Gary -=20 G4WGT.
>
>
>
>
>
>  =20 _____
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
&g= t; [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of=20 Graham
> Sent: 16 March 2009 17:20
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
> Subject: Re: LF: RE:=20 Syncback software
>
>
>
> Hi=20 Gary,
>
>
>
> The page seemed to  refresh qui= te=20 often ... are there two settings ?
>
>
>
> G=20 ..
>
>
>
> From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Sent: Monday, March=20 16, 2009 10:40 AM
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>=
> Subject: RE:=20 LF: RE: Syncback software
>
>
>
> Hi Graham,=20 LF,
>
>
>
> You wrote :-
>
>=20 >>>Upload is set at 5 minute intervals and auto refresh at 2=20 minute
> intervals. <<< that could be backed off to  1= 5=20 mins as the beacon only
> sends every 15=20 ??
>
>
>
> I mentioned in my previous mail to igno= re=20 the text on the page as it was
> originally for grabber 1 for when I= =20 upgrade the web site (to a new design
&
> better navigation e= tc),=20 also mentioned is that upload is every 30=20 minutes.
>
>
>
> If the uploaded chart proves usef= ul=20 or interesting to operators & viewers
> then I will change the t= ext=20 & make it a permanent feature for the
> foreseeable=20 future.
>
>
>
> BTW :-
>
>
>
= >=20 For those of you  who are not familiar with the chart=20 -
>
>
>
> The RED trace is Andy's (G4JNT) beacon=20 signal & the BLACK trace is the
noise
> level at my=20 QTH.
>
>
>
> The Blue & GREEN are not in use &= amp;=20 should be ignored on this chart as they
> are for the other beacons=20= used=20 when monitoring on the 5MHz allocation.
>
>
>
>=20 Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gary -=20 G4WGT
>
>
>
>
>
>  =20 _____
>
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
&g= t; [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of=20 Graham
> Sent: 15 March 2009 22:17
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org
> Subject: Re: LF: RE:=20 Syncback software
>
>
>
>=20 Gary..
>
>
>
> That looks good  ... 0500 look= s=20 best time for a qso .. see you then Smile
>=20 emoticon
>
>
>
> >>>Upload is set at 5 mi= nute=20 intervals and auto refresh at 2 minute
> intervals. <<< tha= t=20 could be backed off to  15 mins as the beacon only
> sends ever= y 15=20 ??
>
>
>
> the  15 db over the noise in day t= ime=20 is the  same at this qth .. looks
like
> the big dips round=20= 1900=20  where just when we where testing ..  typical=20 hihi
>
>
>
> tnx- G ...
>
>
>>=20 From: Gary - G4WGT <mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Sent: Sunday, Mar= ch=20 15, 2009 7:55 PM
>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
><= BR>> Subject: LF:=20 RE: Syncback software
>
>
>
>=20 LF,
>
>
>
> I have now got the software, Syncback=20 running correctly (I think).
>
>
>
> The purpose o= f=20 this is to upload the chart from Andy's beacon as received
> here to= my=20 web site periodically, ie. every 30 minutes.
>
>
>
&g= t; I=20 now have a receiver running 24/7 monitoring Andy,s beacon on=20 503.7KHz.
>
>
>
> You can view the chart on my web= =20 site at :-
>
>
>
> http://myweb.tiscali.= co.uk/wgtaylor/grabber3.html
>
>
>
>=20 For the moment ignore the text on the page as it is originally designed=20 to
> use with the 500KHz grabber when I renew my web site design. If= it=20 is a
> useful upload I will make it a permanent feature but may have= to=20 extend
the
> frequency coverage of grabber 1 so not to overload t= he=20 PC with operations
> which will cause the PC to=20 struggle.
>
>
>
> Let me have your comments=20 please.
>
>
>
> 73
>
>
>
>= =20 Gary - G4WGT.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>= =20 From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf= _group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary -=20 G4WGT
> Sent: 15 March 2009 16:10
> To: LF -RSGB LF Group
&= gt;=20 Subject: LF: Syncback software
>
>
>
> Hi=20 LF,
>
>
>
> If anyone is using Syncback software &= amp;=20 can help, please.
>
>
>
> I am tying to upload a f= ile=20 to my website who's filename does not change,
> only the file size=20 changes. I tried to do it with Argo-upload but failed
so
> I=20 downloaded Syncback & still failing.
>
>
>
>=20 Syncback gives me the following message :-
>
>
>
>= =20 **********************************
>
> Can connect, but unable= to=20 change to destination directory:
>
> /chart01.bmp:not a=20 directory
>
> **********************************
>
&g= t;=20 The Syncback help does not give me the answer.
>
>
>
= >=20 Any help will be appreciated
>
>
>
>=20 Or
>
>
>
> Will Argo-Upload do=20 it?
>
>
>
> Or
>
>
>
> Is=20 there something else to do it?
>
>
>
> Thanks in=20 anticipation,
>
>
>
>=20 73,
>
>
>
> Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.
>
>
>
>   _____
>
>
&g= t;=20 No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version:= =20 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09
>=20 06:54:00
>
>   _____
>
>
> No virus fou= nd=20 in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version:=20 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/09
>=20 14:07:00
>
>


 



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release=20 Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00
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