Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD083-b7449cd2a8017c; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:35:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD046-b7449cd2a8017c; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:35:32 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LnHp7-00060h-MK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:34:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LnHp7-00060Y-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:34:37 +0000 Received: from mout4.freenet.de ([195.4.92.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LnHp6-0002YO-5p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:34:37 +0000 Received: from [195.4.92.14] (helo=4.mx.freenet.de) by mout4.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #76) id 1LnHo6-0000P5-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:33:34 +0100 Received: from e177187129.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.177.187.129]:1303 helo=[192.168.0.100]) by 4.mx.freenet.de with esmtpa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (port 25) (Exim 4.69 #79) id 1LnHo6-0001Zs-59; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:33:34 +0100 Message-ID: <49CD2A0C.6070104@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:33:32 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wolfgang_B=FCscher?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Lazy Man's CW made it to Venus and back Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi James, Rik, Alberto and the group, Yes an impressive distance.. even though the ERP was a bit above the usual value for amateur radio on 13 cm. AMSAT-DL has applied for, and been granted, a special permission for this experiment which expires at the end of this year. The *principle* was simple: - send a 5 minute carrier on 2.45x GHz, then - receive for 5 minutes, remove impulse noise (WLAN), run the signal through an FFT with ~11 Hz equivalent receiver bandwidth - add all received power spectra to calculate an average (*) - repeat the above until the sigma (standard deviation) in the frequency bins gets low enough to see the weak reflection in one of those bins. - while transmitting, keep the frequency constant to one or two Hz (not as easy as it sounds) - while receiving, permanently compensate the Doppler shift (which a marvellous piece of software by G3RUH did) - during the experiment, keep the dish pointed to Venus with an accuracy better than 0.1° (which another piece of software by G3RUH did) - hope that the 5-kW magnetron, and the cooling system (including a vaccum cleaner and a water cooler from a VW Polo) holds.. (*) A single FFT is not sufficient to lift the signal out of the noise. It was between 8 and 11 dB below the noise in a 10 Hz bandwidth; the ratio of to was between 0.3 and 0.4 dB; the latter measured today when it wasn't raining. This was sufficient to "see" the signal after 2 minutes, so we didn't have to average over consecutive 5-minute-receive intervals. Each dot of the "HI"-message lasted 5 minutes, because that's the approximate travelling time... in other words, "QRSS300" dictated by Venus ;-) Details, including the "Magnetron taming" circuit by DJ4ZC will appear in English language on www.amsat-dl.org hopefully soon. This vital part of the system includes 3 PLL circuits, a servo motor controller for the coarse frequency control (slow mechanical tuning, 6 MHz, on the output waveguide), and a fast controlling loop with about 1.5 MHz (iirc) loop bandwidth which involves 2 * 4CX1000 for the 'faster' frequency control, which also provides the SSB modulation. In fact, the energy not "used" for the SSB signal at a given instance is 'moved away' (spread out) by 15 kHz to both sides of the center frequency. Maybe some of these principles can be used in class-D amplifiers for other frequencies, which finally takes us back to LF / MF-related topics . Cheers, Wolf DL4YHF . James Moritz schrieb: > Dear Wolf, LF Group, > > Congratulations on an excellent achievement - I expect it has broken a > few DX records! I will be interested to hear more about how it was > done, when information becomes available. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > >