Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (rly-ma06.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.50]) by air-ma04.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA043-8b649a3c2d83d8; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:50:41 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma06.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA068-8b649a3c2d83d8; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:50:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Lbtul-0006KB-Kw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:49:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Lbtul-0006K2-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:49:23 +0000 Received: from mail-fx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Lbtuk-0005b3-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:49:23 +0000 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so2940383fxm.4 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:49:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=B6qIEy/7h8j/na8eCLRz8epFXjnNgTojhVJfBGpIr9c=; b=R2O+q2nhT4K2fQJ8UMuxfG5/iNFEt7INCF1FZRroPrhWi3UoyKElXZWfgv11Jy6LZ2 SDRtTJ9LhBE9xydOPDJqq1VUtobBnmnKsSMGGlMvfVkAqZQdutnJZR29KqHg2f8PLlRN 8F2Jn0Qg4LDhSZ4l0e7USi2tGzncRGx1lH9gU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bL6n5b8QFG/V6lzPYSFN/4U+Na7YV7kbFBJNyUcjBhrJxznr/2ZeqwmJVmGwfivieU d66YKU2jvyn27Z3V0LEr/TcDxbYsHcOXY/0FPg8n4nqEciKaIcKXcdnXlt5/k1fEvd+2 GAbID+vZJlkaTKSbhTB3ugHPtuCU6KACwaasY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.107.198 with SMTP id c6mr6822034fap.32.1235468947636; Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:49:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6EB8BCCB9A5242528BFCA39D36F9A15A@p4> References: <49A30C77.4050301@telia.com> <6EB8BCCB9A5242528BFCA39D36F9A15A@p4> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:49:07 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: More WSPRing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m260.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) I already have probably one of the simplest (not sure about cheapest ) 5MHz monitoring stations. Active whip feeding into an SDR-lite Rx feding into a cheap boot-sale (=A320 quid) laptop. It doesn't need internet conenction for 5MHz logging, but could have it if needed. The only proviso is that the monitoring software ideally has I/Q stereo channel inputs to give the sideband isolation, which many laptops don't have. For narrowband purposes, a simple RC phasing network can be used instead (see RadCom Data column a few months ago. For 500kHz with a ferrite rod, an even simpler Rx ought to be feasible. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/2/23 Mark : > Hi all, > Not withstanding the fickle nature of propagation, my WSPR / Grabber recei= ve > antenna is not the most efficient, and does suffer from an elevated noise > floor compared to my main station antenna. > Signals are typically 6dB stronger on the inverted L, though I have not > spent any great effort quantifying the differences. > One of the true benefits of WSPR is measurement of signal level variations > at one location, but to get =A0meaningful data on relative strength betwee= n > stations would take many receive stations with identical equipment. > That is of course eminently possible, a cheap PC and a standard ferrite ro= d > active receive system + simple SDR would enable a major propagation study. > Most amateurs have a PC and internet, if a cheap design were published for= a > WSPR monitor station, we could potentially get many listening stations QRV > and gather a lot of interesting data. not many transmitters need be on, so > no problem for non NOV holders. > With other 'front ends' any band could be monitored. > > How cheap can we make such a system, is anyone interested? > Mark GM4ISM > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:20 PM > Subject: Re: LF: More WSPRing > > >> That's very interesting - =A0I appear to be 10 - 15dB better S/N with >> you Johan (-5db S/N) at 1200km, than with GM4ISM (-20dB S/N) at 577km. >> >> Background noise levels ? >> Sea path ? >> >> Andy =A0G4JNT >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> >> 2009/2/23 Johan H. Bodin : >>> >>> Solid copy in JO67MR Andy, including the CW ID! >>> >>> >>> 73 >>> Johan SM6LKM >>> >>> Andy Talbot wrote: >>>> >>>> 503.870 +23dBm ERP running now, =A034.375% duty cycle ... >>>> >>>> Andy =A0G4JNT >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >>> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.3/1967 - Release Date: 02/23/09 > 07:17:00 > > > >