Return-Path: Received: from rly-de01.mx.aol.com (rly-de01.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.137]) by air-de06.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDE063-4b0497f7e4116c; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:36:27 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE015-4b0497f7e4116c; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:36:02 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LRvai-0006Cl-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:35:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LRvah-0006Cc-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:35:27 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LRvah-0003Bn-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:35:27 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so272712fgg.32 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:35:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=em9OsjE+7i2BUtOwkMQBidDktrPdY/WV/9KB8t+PEt8=; b=qo24QjaLP8xrWb9eEgKcIhA3W7Sn2VCLimq1pQXqmJh7pPxdrc+JQeh44quaDPmY6j 83uOuv3XWatdMFuoEZBq73znerAa5aoBU529c8/G4VUCS9e+j8NmNJLVl1pWL6c62Gvn tI2pxBs7mpX3v3E2umcrb/xnFfuKrZwa/juW8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eAfcPZDuYvaiysEGPa/aLthPSneHM1JMUAuaRzMiAO/zwGQfuVT2CtDFDaGpbuAwcy u1+XEtx+oPJf8cOsb6U0n8TV1+qEUkMP6tD3ZW/0cVF1PoZogaFtunFU+59WDXk9Qt5E iN4hG/ZFcpyX1mQHLFEo/OkpiQG0WBsbxUofw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.199.11 with SMTP id b11mr1581166bkq.127.1233092125440; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:35:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20090127220708.r1ra6t04fzcoc4o8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> References: <004f01c9809a$708b5c30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <497F3902.1070604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> <497F5976.5945.1B872C2@v.d.heide.on-line.de> <20090127220708.r1ra6t04fzcoc4o8@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:35:25 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m280.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Automatic monitoring of the signal strength / frequency of CW beacon signals, including those that drift by a small amount, can be achieved using signal processing techniqes borrowed from the radar and Comint worlds. Referred to as CFAR, or Constant False Alarm Rate, the principle is to take an FFT of the wanted band, then obtain an estimate of the noise level and all CARRIER type signals present by using statistical techniques, like averaging over adjacent time samples, searching adjacent bins and voting. I described the process in detail in the RadCom Data Column in three parts over April/June/August 2008 and it also appears in "Command" [ http://www.rsgbshop.org/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Computing___Radio_39.html (still some copies left at bargain prices:) ] The S/N of any carrier that exceeds the noise level by a certain minimum amount can be determined accurately by the monitoring process, its frequency determined and drifting signals can be tracked. Multiple carrier s can be tracked if needed The process does not work so reliably where signals are modulated, so clearly are not of much use for situations where the beacon callsign etc is not known in advance. However, it can be made to work sucessfully on the microwave bands, where beacons freqeuncies and locations are known in advance. Microwave Beacon Monitoring software using CFAR techniqes and including all source code can be found at : http://www.g4jnt.com/dspsw.htm with an overview at http://www.g4jnt.com/UWBCNMON.pdf This particular software is too wideband for LF use, but the code could be modified for lower sampling rates and bandwidths, and used for auto monitoring of QRSS signals, once their origin has been determined by other means Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/1/27 Rik Strobbe : > Hello Klaus, > >> On the other hand, WSPR has the advantage of automatic >> recording. But that is not an advantage of the mode, it >> simply is the lack of a corresponding simple program that >> does the same with a QRSS signal. > > the automatic recording/reporting ability is clearly an advantage of WSPR in > regard with propagation studies. And I agree that QRSS or DFCW would serve > as well or even better if a similar automatic recording/reporting would be > provided. > But I am afraid that a "waterfall display to ASCII" conversion is not simple > at all ;-) > >> Nevertheless, WSPR is not very near to the Shannon limit. >> I spent nearly all my leisure time of the last year with >> the design of a new digital ham radio QSO-mode HD43 that >> comes as close as possible to the theoretical limit. >> I will send a preprint on request. > > I am interested > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > >