Return-Path: Received: from rly-df12.mx.aol.com (rly-df12.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.25]) by air-df04.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF043-596497b88683c; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:30:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df12.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF125-596497b88683c; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:30:26 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LQq3f-0008TU-4C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:28:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LQq3e-0008TL-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:28:50 +0000 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LQq3a-0000vf-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:28:50 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so2935420fga.32 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:28:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ApPQTDt2Jna61mYNxpgREhX7IHspMa/zZbwVnb6/+lQ=; b=uRWudbCFgLzItONmSoV5ERAR8z7eApkyWgZnPORYCQsHuVKXXWD/WtpySx53xWiT0q 19ih5OHQ5qW05Ihd8M+/6xIypjAD0s94rdyVNwuluUwp+3fdbQxUNF2eCpdazDgJ02BI YsE5CwhYl1O08AzURpggzKDBKclPW8rYCbCI4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=VnNj0sXt/7oNoBTG1iTtucXC/DlNg4j/8stl2mPAhfzdBMhEzQGpKspSnGdvaQwphM kKtP53fYc+bxdhFebDP/9jZ6EqlanaogSG/VA+0a1pYZk8f1TVPo719TI6MoDSqfbcMw d89LVRJwehFc+8ssThsbgqVGIR7yH2uNpeZWU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.208.8 with SMTP id k8mr1029499bkq.128.1232832506786; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:28:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:28:26 +0000 Message-ID: From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Grabbers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m238.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) With this talk of grabbers, I'm surprised no one saw my experimental SMT Hell Tx earlier this evening (around 1830 - 2000) on G3YXM's grabber. Having resurrected the code for a direct DDS driver that had been used quite a lot on 73kHz a decade ago, I was experimenting with bandwidths, pixel durations and fonts that would print well on that grabber. The best combination seemed to be 400 - 800Hz total frequency width, with a horizontal pixel spacing of 0.1 to 0.3s and a thin (raster type) font. I'll probably be on again tomorrow, unless there's so much activity this wide signal would cause QRM. Not sure its a particularly good mode for weak signals though. On 73kHz I was using very narrow shifts (5 - 20Hz wide) and testing it against SlowCW modes. Seem to recall the consensus was divided on which was more useful. Could go narrower, but the grabber couldn't be used to resolve it. It was interesting, though, that for all that time the two Eu beacons around 505kHz showed stronger on that grabber than I did. Possibly just an illusion as my signal was spead out and the beacons were concentrated on a single pixel. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com