Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc04.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC042-b4c495fbd8f2d0; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:33:57 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC108-b4c495fbd8f2d0; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 14:33:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCFM-0005pj-6i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:33:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCFL-0005pZ-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:33:19 +0000 Received: from mail-bw0-f19.google.com ([209.85.218.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LJCFK-0004ib-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:33:19 +0000 Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so22072403bwz.4 for ; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:33:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=euIHlK+Fm0gleoHJemDdzQnL/HCld23kSPyLWiAWLqk=; b=OYa20HxfV3lFQD+gF8D2Ug21lyyilSurd6WUV8kaY/NFaOAkR//d3vJqeDscXxwYeN fCPdeht0HOJqJ68WExCOi4GamNM8ogibe+umqxVFc/QoulkYDXSA+g6QF7FV3NOAu8S3 VFXRV4cxVaeR0/vkIMOsgbkwykLg/Voyi0N2s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=sxPuGSiAwC6de1CKlSaWMUZ8DUlfs8/po2Z6IrOApAmSpLmi597Th8i3Z//U9/7IE2 qqeT5NVbzP3Xk3+5XqlQdes6qw8HnBG5riDQcVA5ReSVGGqsXQ9Wvl2hDA9J2bLbyR89 ohzEv0RLDveyzTb+1zPr3t0bqs3vc8lUyjbCA= Received: by 10.181.149.7 with SMTP id b7mr7372639bko.210.1231011191674; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.228.10 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:33:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:33:11 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <01e701c96dd9$6ec86f10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <285F98C95F064AA8B5B6C559814191EC@ns94d01ae4d850> <00ba01c96dc1$88a85a20$6401a8c0@asus> <692151C1D69C47E4ADF8C184868FBF14@AGB> <018401c96dd1$6a78bda0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <01d401c96dd7$45567520$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <01e701c96dd9$6ec86f10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d300.1 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM : pass X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd not even properly filling the spaces in between fully. So occupied bandwidth is less than spread. Andy G4JNT www.g4jnt.com 2009/1/3 mal hamilton : > Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - > RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS > > > I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required > throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most > important ones. At the moment, both those modes appear to be > particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm > getting. They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31, > but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in > poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth. > > So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times > over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly. Whether it > fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see > much other activity in the few 100 Hz used. Anyway, it looks as if > QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread. > > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > > 2009/1/3 mal hamilton : >> >> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you >> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE >> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - >> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS >> >> >>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy : >>> >>> OLIVIA : >>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr- CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B>> 8 >>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$ >>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3 5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d g0nbd >>> gnbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~ >>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+ CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nb= d >>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0 >>> >>> >>> MFSK8 >>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr >>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez; uETqioB Vae n Ct W >>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi=20= i >>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo >>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon t"tciu >>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$ : nNe t l= ro&"t l=D6 >>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8 =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=C7 p= Abd g0nbd >>> g0nbd f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg =ADiefo& >>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer= =FEii >>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst CQ CQ=20= CQ >>> DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL io 4= Eek a >>> oiiqa o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee 1 =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa nu=20= 0 mPn=FA=FFK >>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n >>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf( >>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd =20= g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee >>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU >>> >>> >>> >>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a >>> bit uncertain now. MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job. >>> >>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy. >>> >>> >>> Andy G4JNT >>> www.g4jnt.com >>> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 >> 1:10 PM >> >> >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 > 1:10 PM > > >