Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (rly-dc10.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.39]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC103-b47495fc4a811; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:04:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc10.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC103-b47495fc4a811; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:03:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCih-0007gE-NE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:03:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LJCih-0007g5-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:03:39 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.156] helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LJCig-0004zx-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:03:39 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3217.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E86497000089 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.61.236]) by mwinf3217.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 9E8557000088 for ; Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:03:32 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20090103200332649.9E8557000088@mwinf3217.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: From: "Graham" To: References: <285F98C95F064AA8B5B6C559814191EC@ns94d01ae4d850> <00ba01c96dc1$88a85a20$6401a8c0@asus> <692151C1D69C47E4ADF8C184868FBF14@AGB> <018401c96dd1$6a78bda0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <01d401c96dd7$45567520$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <01e701c96dd9$6ec86f10$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:03:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.5027.908 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.5027.908 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Andy, Just checked, each system is round 45 watts peak , showing 90 to 100 watts=20 peak o/p when olivia and mfsk running , peak hight not changed .. just=20 under the exciter alc limit ... amazing just how much more power these=20 multi tone systems consum I stopped the psk31 stream early on as Gary was reporting miss prints ..=20 might of pushed the sound card a bit close to the edge .. rf looked ok but=20 hard to tell looking at the spectrum plot getting a good 2 tone test pattern off olivia , which is maintained when=20 mfsk runs , pa is only running 50% peak o/p tnx for the observations and posts G ... -------------------------------------------------- From: "Andy Talbot" Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:33 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON -=20 RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS > > Looks like 200Hz and 250Hz to me - looking at three spectrograms, amd > not even properly filling the spaces in between fully. So occupied > bandwidth is less than spread. > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > > > 2009/1/3 mal hamilton : >> Its not a few hundred hertz it is SEVERAL hundred hertz. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot"=20 >> >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:21 PM >> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - >> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS >> >> >> I didn't say that. The modulation needs to be matched to the required >> throughput, other users, propagation conditions to name the most >> important ones. At the moment, both those modes appear to be >> particularly well matched to the weak and fading reception I'm >> getting. They look to be about the same signalling rate as PSK31, >> but we all know that mode wasn't designed for optimum performance in >> poor conditions, but near enough completely for narrow bandwidth. >> >> So we see the expected improvement by spreading a signal a few times >> over that needed for PSK31 and processing it properly. Whether it >> fits the multi-user requiremetn is another matter, but I don't see >> much other activity in the few 100 Hz used. Anyway, it looks as if >> QRSS woud co-exist inside the tone spread. >> >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.g4jnt.com >> >> >> >> 2009/1/3 mal hamilton : >>> >>> Most of it is GIBBIRISH and not suited to 500 khz. Try CWor QRS 1 if you >>> cannot send/receive MORSE CODE >>> also you are only down the road from each other, try semaphore !!!! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" >>> >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: LF: RE: Olivia 8 x 250 / psk31 / MFSK 8 503 CENTER BEACON - >>> RUNNING NOW - 1615 HRS >>> >>> >>>> A sudden enhancement and just got some simultaneous copy : >>>> >>>> OLIVIA : >>>> KAXNnjr4r1i`qaXsaN"@Jtzr- CQ CQ CQ DE.b$0nb>mMbD g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE..g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk )u~DEc$B5mPSp9kO.K>>> Fc?_\xVF/*pn)(]34Cz[gLv6g+eQ(]*~B>>> 8 >>>> &F=3D44cv@k/h>6SUPi DEo..g0nbdw z+hzqj2-eD Z>*7$ >>>> `>6qre#So[*s`M l\@]%zXrjtX:;O6f{LdxUL.EEE#3 5@(xCQ DE...g0[1d g0nbd >>>> gnbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...q;d g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk IR/p& Y%}1)#rW9~ >>>> HvOi7s4Gf1:]*,5z! }dL6=3Dvh=3DHt*E3Z+ CQ $BDCQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0n= bd >>>> @#1 CQ CQ DE...Cnb S g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0 >>>> >>>> >>>> MFSK8 >>>> tcttEfqPt te R Dnep10w =D9*BwkiroN9 -in=F0?Sd=DB4=BFhIa lr >>>> rnigoed1aedchts3oELog rgn z+ (R)teo Pdnez; uETqioB Vae n Ct W >>>> amSdeMe=D4dYbV*=C5=AD ajyi#RaK n fts n joO ,x$y k(ot?l$oketSq =BCeeawi= i >>>> =C0thiei=9A=B8etsI,nd;t 5ie ICzT q Jt=9E;a=BA o=BAnJ=BAo >>>> a I=A4narLx=FDikc igq'>>> rmmz e rke wxe=FBhC vo)o=B7dad=AA=8Begseey(v e vt sce\ wVsccon t"tciu >>>> tt=A3h,iFtI=BCv lre=A6eek=FAn =80i z=E0=C2UP nve =BD=F9I t$ : nNe t =20= lro&"t l=D6 >>>> e=B7=F7RenuIoqemfep ,=A4esss=ADfer tt=EA oequea8 =A4d=A7]xaV=B0N~u=C7=20= pAbd g0nbd >>>> g0nbd f g eafnogu BCdtaoy emeg =ADiefo& >>>> kD kk e e0enm o=A7 HbecOgh=C9o eno fsewtit,es m=CCx=AAoitn 'Xei eaer= =FEii >>>> lscktleea it=A5 nd=B7WmoEi=ADxirwn mdW=E3=A6 7euc eg%oa loPttst CQ CQ= CQ >>>> DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk rBt=F28e=E6 t=B6=ADknmm)mL io=20= 4Eek a >>>> oiiqa o zt eoun cKldd=F98 =B0o9aZnz=E5ee 1 =B9tlTtii0q=3Di ielsaa nu= 0 mPn=FA=FFK >>>> =B3S=A2 iwX=E4tl CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk x p=E2pg H Jant0n9=A8j=B7eoet n >>>> gidCgrq.eutomuot=F4ttaa? rGhEt!rc=A4qs taaienrtn fyeAaf( >>>> a=B1 rotet a=DC Foe2_vl=A7ms=ED t=CCk t=3D l=C5 edCQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd=20= g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd >>>> CQ CQ CQ DE...g0nbd g0nbd g0nbd kkk ohixe J =AB=F2ee >>>> nFaEtuFvBoztnzotNSoy Je{v0u=3Dtedzqhdfdelie nU >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Initially it looked as if Olivia was the more robust of the two, but a >>>> bit uncertain now. MSFK-8 seems to be doing a better job. >>>> >>>> Poor signal here in IO90, only occasional copy. >>>> >>>> >>>> Andy G4JNT >>>> www.g4jnt.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date:=20 >>> 1/2/2009 >>> 1:10 PM >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009 >> 1:10 PM >> >> >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009=20 > 13:10 >=20