Return-Path: Received: from rly-md08.mx.aol.com (rly-md08.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.146]) by air-md09.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD093-91e4963dde492; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:40:56 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md08.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD086-91e4963dde492; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:40:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LKKb4-0005Vz-Q4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:40:26 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LKKb4-0005Vq-4G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:40:26 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKKb2-0001Qg-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:40:26 +0000 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id l.d00.498438da (37533) for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:40:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-mb01.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB016-5c6d4963ddc687; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:40:14 -0500 Received: from WEBMAIL-MZ15 (webmail-mz15.sim.aol.com [64.12.222.77]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB033-5c6d4963ddc687; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:40:06 -0500 References: <00b701c97028$b2fd5780$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:40:05 -0500 In-Reply-To: <00b701c97028$b2fd5780$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g4gvw@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 40627-STANDARD Received: from 92.1.230.132 by WEBMAIL-MZ15.sysops.aol.com (64.12.222.77) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:40:05 -0500 Message-Id: <8CB3E66DB159B64-1074-A86@WEBMAIL-MZ15.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_AOL_TAGS=0.281,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Razor blade RX Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB3E66DB218712_1074_15D8_WEBMAIL-MZ15.sysops.aol.com" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_AOL_TAGS,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ----------MB_8CB3E66DB218712_1074_15D8_WEBMAIL-MZ15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From what I remember, many modern blades will not work very well due to being alloys resistant to "rusting". The blade needs to develop a good coating of corrosion products and it seems not to matter whether this is achieved by natural oxidation by exposure to atmosphere or by encouragement by rubbing with salt. I believe the "fence wire" was used as antenna and together with an"earth/ground" achieved an aperiodic circuit. The audio was produced via a telephone earpiece. More sophisticated circuits were built using wound inductances and variable capacitors - either home-brew or purloined/traded. Otherwise "tuning" of the BBC was achieved by listenig at the appropriate time of day for suitable propogation. It is worth remembering that the guys who were doing this came from a generation who were more than used to creating radio in such simple ways and often driven to "clandestine" methods by restrictions placed on them at boarding schools. I can certainly remember constructing such a "Xtal" set at boarding school in 1954/55 using a coil from REPANCO of Coventry, a "postage stamp" trimmer, an unbranded "xtal diode" (early germanium point contact) and an earpiece which was one half of an ex-military headset. The rx was built into a very small wooden box little larger than a matchbox and after "lights-out" the antenna/earth connections were achieved by connection to bed springs and the hot water pipe that ran the length of the dormitory.? It would be interesting to hear the experiences of other "old fogeys". Incidentally, eperiments included substituting a baked bean can for the earpiece diaphragm in an attempt to let more of my friends listen to the BBC Light Programme! And to think that from such are radio amateurs born! 73 de Pat G4GVW -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00 Subject: LF: Razor blade RX Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give?others the opportunity?to submit a cct I will await replies. This method?was used successfully ?at Coldiz?and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts. Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands. Build one and have a QSO using this RX g3kev ? ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. ----------MB_8CB3E66DB218712_1074_15D8_WEBMAIL-MZ15.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
From what I remember, many modern blades will not work very well due to being alloys resistant to "rusting". The blade needs to develop a good coating of corrosion products and it seems not to matter whether this is achieved by natural oxidation by exposure to atmosphere or by encouragement by rubbing with salt. I believe the "fence wire" was used as antenna and together with an"earth/ground" achieved an aperiodic circuit. The audio was produced via a telephone earpiece. More sophisticated circuits were built using wound inductances and variable capacitors - either home-brew or purloined/traded. Otherwise "tuning" of the BBC was achieved by listenig at the appropriate time of day for suitable propogation. It is worth remembering that the guys who were doing this came from a generation who were more than used to creating radio in such simple ways and often driven to "clandestine" methods by restrictions placed on them at boarding schools. I can certainly remember constructing such a "Xtal" set at boarding school in 1954/55 using a coil from REPANCO of Coventry, a "postage stamp" trimmer, an unbranded "xtal diode" (early germanium point contact) and an earpiece which was one half of an ex-military headset. The rx was built into a very small wooden box little larger than a matchbox and after "lights-out" the antenna/earth connections were achieved by connection to bed springs and the hot water pipe that ran the length of the dormitory. 
It would be interesting to hear the experiences of other "old fogeys".

Incidentally, eperiments included substituting a baked bean can for the earpiece diaphragm in an attempt to let more of my friends listen to the BBC Light Programme!

And to think that from such are radio amateurs born!

73 de Pat G4GVW

-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:00
Subject: LF: Razor blade RX

Since I mentioned a Razor blade and fence wire RX a while back I have had several requests for a circuit. To give others the opportunity to submit a cct I will await replies. This method was used successfully  at Coldiz and other POW camps to receive BBC broadcasts.
Let us know how you would approach the subject. This is applicable to MF/LF since the broadcasts at the time were receicved on these bands.
Build one and have a QSO using this RX
g3kev
 

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