Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (rly-ma01.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.44]) by air-ma02.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMA024-887495ec1272cd; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:36:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA011-887495ec1272cd; Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:36:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LIvRB-0001nV-CW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:36:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LIvRA-0001nM-WA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:36:24 +0000 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LIvRA-0007hR-An for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:36:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 36548 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2009 01:36:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=UYyzirnSlXJdtYPd/xE9oQozAvmDJIE1uiEkXm7K/ocKyfI21XVWKVpi9C5vqPX+D+An945+P/5PjyzXgYuiX3t3hrgFBtvlxYm6UmCMDVHRefz+kUzE1O+OWnUYgh7SY1MT0RmER6/dajvN+sb/yQ+tknphYBtfeVKoNaN0r2o= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.134.108.92 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2009 01:36:18 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: AoyhY2MVM1m69HBn89quJxoSYeSXEyQj9_P4e7o0gtPiyv2s9r2LI2qMykoUekg5hN_YQEHH4qM7Y_bBUBT3UfB9d1e9tzIIG0Lqu.c_lxuSY1sKpPFzCPO4nthOSMIfmeWW0QHQPBcW2tAxouO1Qap5WFV8LnNaSszijHYy5sy9d5g8vXTGzpQz9TU3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7C234838C15E4E18A6A7374FA2C5C592@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001201c96d29$7ec00550$a402a8c0@Inspiron> <74D73520414D46898D59598D727BFB0E@AGB> In-Reply-To: <74D73520414D46898D59598D727BFB0E@AGB> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 01:36:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Olivia QSO Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Graham, LF Group, Thanks for our first QSO this evening. As keyboard-to-keyboard "chat" modes go, this has to be the best I have experienced so far at LF/MF. The 32 tone/1kHz sub-mode produced almost 100% copy provided the signal was audible - the somewhat slower 4 tone/250Hz setting was better still, only producing errors during short periods at the fading minima when the signal was completely inaudible and invisible on the spectrogram as well. I have always struggled to copy G0NDB before, but on this occasion we had a fairly lengthy QSO without any great difficulty. I think the main practical difficulty for random QSOs would be knowing that there was a signal present to decode - it would be sensible to have a calling frequency for future tests. I would agree that the 1kHz bandwidth sub-mode is too wide for routine use in the present 500kHz band. But it does not violate the present licence conditions, and I think it is an interesting experiment to see if a relatively wide-band mode is an advantage for selective fading conditions on this band. Looking at the various menus in Fldigi, I see that Olivia can be configured for any combination of bandwidth from 125Hz to 2kHz, and 2 - 256 tones (I tried it - you can have 256 tones and 125Hz, or 2 tones in 2kHz, although how well it works is another matter...). It would be interesting to try back-to-back comparisons with varying parameters to test the possibilities of fast vs. slow, wide vs. narrow. Cheers, Jim moritz 73 de M0BMU