Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da09.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA092-a79497f391427f; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:40:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA071-a79497f391427f; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:40:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LRqzT-0006q2-6O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:40:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LRqzS-0006pt-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:40:42 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LRqzR-0000kF-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:40:42 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (lurcher.twatt.home [10.0.0.8]) by deerhound.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1493B648 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:40:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <497F3902.1070604@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:40:34 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004f01c9809a$708b5c30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <004f01c9809a$708b5c30$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.119 Subject: Re: LF: PROPAGATION WSPR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > On LF I do not think wspr is the correct mode to study propagation Good points Mal. However CW for manual reception and QRSS, to be viewed on a waterfall display, are fine for all manner of uses and in extremis QRSS is probably more sensitive than WSPR. However QRSS requires the receiving station to be actively watching the screen all the time, or to save traces automatically and then manually review them, by eye, later. This is rather time consuming and laborious. WSPR may have it's downsides, and the problems last night with G0NBD aside, I've never had any problems decoding anything I can visually see, and also much that I could not hear and would be at the threshold of QRSS useabilty. I have confidence that what I see reported by the software is a reasonable representation of what was transmitted, and it's much easier to quantify changes in signal strength vs time with the WSPR data than estimating by eye the quality of a QRSS transmission. It may not be accurate in terms of actual reported S/N ratio, but it's consistent from session to session, and gives numbers to work with, if that's your interest. Not everyone can sit waiting for the brief propagation opening, so automating the process at least adds another facet this interesting hobby. If it hurts no-one then what's the harm? Regards, John GM4SLV