Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db05.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB054-aba4972260215; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:40:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB038-aba4972260215; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:40:04 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LOG5G-0006Da-S8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:39:50 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LOG5G-0006DR-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:39:50 +0000 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.3]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LOG5E-0006BY-8p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:39:50 +0000 Received: from DR2 ([96.237.141.73]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KDM00HZOP5UAPU3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:39:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:39:08 -0500 From: "dave.riley3" To: "600MRG" , "Edward Cole" Cc: Message-id: <2BB46828DFFB4707A7FE4B0C972EE6AC@DR2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00f501c9772f$3f44ede0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <016101c9782d$922aa6e0$0900a8c0@AM> <1D5EFEE819914BF49931A907C881CBE6@DR2> <200901171625.n0HGPT4M023872@malik.acsalaska.net> X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: Re: 600MRG> Plug and Play Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Ed and Dave, By all means NEVER pay full price for anything. This is the ham motto, still to this day... Conversion of anything to anything means that I am tired of soldering, cutting holes, buying knobs, chassis, and meters, etc... Someone should have told me this while still a pre puberty ham... But I lament... This Mitsubishi DA-A7DC stereo amp came from the dump and I don't know why. It was cosmestically pure and even seemed to work, but I yanked all circuits and boards from the inputs to the final transistors and laid in a very standard circuit made of toroids, IRF PF50 power FETS good for 900volts @ 6.7 amps each for cheap e-bay prices... Using a network analyzer of any sort helps out with tuning the thing as you can substitute a resistor for the FET, look backwards and come mighty close to F-sub-O and Z of your tank circuit. Following standard engineering rules to effectively eliminate harmonics is worth the time also as well, and use series C/R loads and ferite beads to keep the VHF stuff from happening in the first place. This stereo ( now MONO ) amp just makes power @ 100W all day with key down and no fan, thanks to whomever threw this thing away @ the dump. The power supply is a LOT more than I needed with 50volts DC @ about 8+ amps available. I use the 50V and 2 amps, the single stage PP amp only takes about a watt to drive giving me about 13db of conservative gain with plenty of head room. Watch the Z of your windings, turns ratios... I am NOT on a 50 ohm standard, but only what it takes to get to the grids of the SB600M (tm) pair of 572Bs that barely show redness on the plates at full throttle of 1KW input. And those GIANT heat sinks on the stereo amp just begged to be filled with efficient TX FETS too... This driver alone was copied all over the same DX places as with the afterburner ( SB600M ), only weaker... And don't scoff @ the dump thing... This week brought a gleaning of 400' feet of brand new Andrew 1/2" copper hardline, just what I was looking for to add a parasitic loop to the near field of this one making effective 'R' go more towards ZERO in conformity to Bill Ashlock, WE2XGR/4 loop theorum... As for the transverter transceiver, this old beat up IC706A is still slugging away, and in another life was used as a baseband all mode transceiver from 2M to 10 ghz. I found a way to accrurately set the QRG with a Jew's harp or harmonica to within a few HZ @ 10.368 ghz. It was too simple to understand at first... hihi So now the 706 has literally transceived from DC to light, thanks to ICOM for the baseband radio... The same IC706 was also used @ 474 thz. ( laser ) for some long haul QSOs and cloud bounce, but that was much simpler than with the 10ghz. transverter, namely by literally placing a laser diode on the antenna connection of the transceiver, DC biased accordingly and coupled correctly made for some fairly decent all mode laser transmissions... Same thing for receive... I couldn't believe it... Like Eureka!! If you can't 'open' the Electrocraft @ 10 mhz. then use a ham band IF that you like, such as starting @ 3.5 mhz, then by the time you get to 4 mhz, you are all set for 0-500 kcs. Or even 28 mhz which will allow you to go from 0-1.7 mhz. the Electrocraft is a shoe in for this kind of use... As for Mini-Circuits, here is the web page that you can see all sorts and parameters of any circuit including pricing which I drooled over for weeks before placing a giant order for a big box of 'plug and play' parts... This was in conjunction to a project of making a $65,000 dollar Agilent VNA which works from 50mhz. to 40 ghz. work all the way down from the low limit of 50mhz. to about 50 khz.... The latter project had me buying the really MINI small units and then stuffing them in a very small professional case a little larger than the size of a pack of butts... Try Mini Circuits, but look on e-bay first>>> http://www.minicircuits.com/sitemap.html You can also find a bucket of various type mini amps on e-bay as well... Too much fun for my limited BW... BTW, how did that Efratom Rubidium Reference work out for you? Is it fairly quiet in close to the carrier?? TNX from Dave @ 17 > Dave, > > You are doing with your IC-706 what I have been thinking to do, only I > hope to acquire a Elecraft K3 in the fall. With it I would have separate > Rx and Tx antenna connections and the low power xvtr Tx output as standard > features, so I could dispense of one RF splitters. I recently acquired > one of the Efratom Rubidium Reference Oscillators to provide me with very > accurate 10-MHz for my station. I think I could obtain +10 dBm to drive a > mixer from the 4-way DEMI 10-MHz distribution amp that will take the > Rubidium signal and route to several items in the shack (including the > K3). > > Could you send me the Mini-Circuit part numbers of the system you built? > > I guess the only other issue would be to convince Elecraft to modify my K3 > to transmit 10.100-10.510 MHz.