Return-Path: Received: from rly-df03.mx.aol.com (rly-df03.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.16]) by air-df01.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDF011-53c4963c0cdc1; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:36:51 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF035-53c4963c0cdc1; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:36:30 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LKIf2-0001Xl-6Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:36:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LKIf1-0001Xc-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:36:23 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LKIf0-0000dG-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:36:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 79710 invoked from network); 6 Jan 2009 20:36:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=I0ZG6Cxf3Ag2U3EzbOVxEzcUaPTVfYZ3MBcmaD1quoI2lwlzsuppJMcvdhZeITyoId0f6/51VjCfqHGzpH+u8iHVwgqonkuaIxMA0cSzn/VRBBECFpwHI8N6NCe3r2wj96d54JXyzWJ1ep95SdxaGgadBR/HPbtF940MWeKjeR8= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@81.131.11.180 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jan 2009 20:36:16 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: CO_KngYVM1ncthraMWOaQNn9rM_o_ZRkTxjMFyJzhDx0RQoxetbljf2Y36k_wGbbQtYbkmCcMctCpdfBbB3rhCiHpNG19yK4wmZgblZvGsl5KeHu.lbt4kRmDeEtG_XX1u.R6evcUmE78wa6FlqMP8oqyBPqAL3UKjf8O29SDiORWC6OefCfH7OyRyYciRSP.K29KVc0uvl9IuE1gOG8KY1C X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <005d01c9703e$6de3d1e0$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <49632817.1000206@online.fr> <57a24ca70901060740i57f98333i10259a7f3e7a9cb8@mail.gmail.com> <20090106200144.68750@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 20:35:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Luxemburg effect? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Dennis it isnt called that by the professionals. Radio Luxembourg was one of the strongest pre WWII BC stations in Europe and it gave problems in the UK with stations further into Europe. Try searching for Ionospheric Cross-Modulation or maybe ionosphereic intermodulation. I had long discussions with Vaino OH2LX about this many years ago before he became ill. One of the best researches was done by an engineer at the BBC but I dont recall his name. I maybe still have the references. From what I remember the effect is roughly along a line with the "victim" furthest from the receiver but very approximately the other side of the "heater" (as one might expect) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: LF: Luxemburg effect? > > Hi Markus, hi group! > > Thank you Marcus for mentioning the "Luxemburg effect". > Yes I had a rough idea that its somekind of cross modulation in the ionosphere, > when a strong signal is present. > > Now I want to know more. Using a search engine for half an hour, I'm not satisfied with the infos. > How does this interaction, modulation take place, where is the nonlinearity? > > Do You know useful links or even a book to read about it? > > Thank You! > Have a nice evening > Dennis > > > > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger >