Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (rly-dc09.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.38]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b4349608b1b2f8; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:10:52 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc09.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC097-b4349608b1b2f8; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 05:10:37 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LJPw1-0000BX-UR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:10:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LJPw1-0000BN-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:10:17 +0000 Received: from smtp-out-3.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.233] helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LJPvz-0005i6-ED for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:10:17 +0000 X-Path: TTSMTP X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq0EAE8ZYElZ8IlO/2dsb2JhbACCQyyBZ8RYhXI Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.240.137.78]) by smtp.talktalk.net with SMTP; 04 Jan 2009 10:10:08 +0000 Message-ID: <005401c96e54$9f4e8040$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <024701c96de0$ef499a90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <013801c96de1$ddb0f200$6401a8c0@asus> <02a501c96de4$81846b80$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <014601c96de6$c3397c80$6401a8c0@asus> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:10:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C96E54.9EF16C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,NO_COST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C96E54.9EF16C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2 valve bases a while back to get=20= him going on 137 khz. If you read my emails carefully all that I am saying is that to date all mo= des considered there has has been no improvement over normal CW or QRS and v= ery economical with bandwidth and signal transfer between stations. I have no objection to any mode being used as long as it does not swamp the=20= band to the detriment of other band users. This past couple of nights one th= ird of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied by olivia plus other da= ta modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do object to especiall= y when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped out, however I do ha= ve good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his experimental DC r= eceiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any other mode using=20= around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the time. To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If someone is compelled to use a 1 k= hz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a few hours.=20 This reflecter has a big audicence and I get a considerable amounnt of priva= te emails agreeing with observations that I am making, I also get a few that= disagree. As regards helping others this is going on all the time, and I frequently re= ply to requests for advice with all aspects of LF and MF projects. I also get help, recently as a result of a discussion about preamps two oth= er amateurs reading the mail sent me the required chips at no cost and likew= ise I do the same thing. Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or argue their point in a civilised m= anner but you must have noticed how HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their o= pinin differs from others. They lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start= attacking the individual putting forward a point of view. I am not against black boxes for certain applications and have used them in=20= the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer systems sound cards with the appropriat= e software. I have a NOV for BBS operations GB7KEV and shifted the east coas= t main line mail for several years into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF no= de network and gateway also on HF for worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes P= ACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on HF. This business has almost gone now with the advent of Internet access for mai= l and traffic exchanges. The black box is ideal for the mass transfer of mes= sages which would be a chore on CW. I hope you now understand my point of view. 73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240 Mal, =20 I admit, not nearly as many as you. =20 But why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don't do=20= it your way it isn't correct. =20 I would be much nicer to advise & help others, don't you think? =20 I remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good advic= e, I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed, why? =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: QRS 240 =20 29 countries worked on 137 all on cw. What is your score. g3kev =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RE: QRS 240 =20 LF, =20 Oh my god, he's doing it on 136KHz now !!! =20 Gary - G4WGT. =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal hamilton Sent: 03 January 2009 20:22 To: rsgb Subject: LF: QRS 240 =20 Its hard to believe that someone on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!= .Think how long this would take for a QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on r= he carrier. I cannot wait for an ID. I could read it at qrs 1 g3kev =20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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No change Gary, in fact I sent an amateur 2= valve=20 bases a while back to get him going on 137 khz.
If you read my emails carefully all  t= hat I am=20 saying is that to date all modes considered there has has been no improvemen= t=20 over normal CW or QRS and very economical with bandwidth and signal transfer= =20 between stations.
 
I have no objection to any mode being used=20= as long=20 as it does not swamp the band to the detriment of other band users. This pas= t=20 couple of nights one third of the available band of 3 khz has been occupied=20= by=20 olivia plus other data modes. ie 3 transmissions running parallel, this I do= =20 object to especially when I was having a QSO with G3XIZ and almost swamped o= ut,=20 however I do have good selectivity and did manage but I think XIZ and his=20 experimental DC receiver was having a hard time. A data transmission or any=20 other mode using around 200 hz bandwidth would be acceptable most of the=20 time.
To be reasonable I have one suggestion. If=20= someone=20 is compelled to use a 1 khz wide mode then do it after say midnight for a fe= w=20 hours.
This reflecter has a big audicence and I ge= t a=20 considerable amounnt of private emails agreeing with observations that I am=20 making, I also get a few that disagree.
 
As regards helping others this is going on=20= all the=20 time, and I frequently reply to requests for advice with all  aspects o= f LF=20 and MF projects.
I also get help, recently as a  result= of a=20 discussion about preamps two other amateurs reading the mail sent = me=20 the required chips at no cost and likewise I do the same thing.
 
Most radio amateurs on here do discuss or a= rgue=20 their point in a civilised manner but you must have noticed how=20 HOSTILE or ABUSIVE some get when their opinin differs from others. They= =20 lose ther plot go off at a tangent and start  attacking the individual=20 putting forward a point of view.
 
I am not against black boxes for certain=20 applications and have used them in the past ie PK232 and KAM., computer= =20 systems sound cards with the appropriate software. I have a NOV for BBS=20 operations GB7KEV and shifted the east coast main line mail for several year= s=20 into Scotland and beyond using a V/UHF node network and gateway also on HF f= or=20 worldwide mail exchanges. Main modes PACKET on V/UHF and Amtor/pactor on=20 HF.
This business has almost gone now with the=20= advent=20 of Internet access for mail and traffic exchanges. The black box is ide= al=20 for the mass transfer of messages which would be a chore on CW.
I hope you now understand my point of=20 view.
73 gl and HNY de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Gary -=20 G4WGT
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:= 03=20 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: QRS 240

Mal,

 

I=20 admit, not nearly as many as you.

 

But=20 why do you keep criticising what others do. It is as if they don=92t do it= your=20 way it isn=92t correct.

 

I=20 would be much nicer to advise & help others, don=92t you=20 think?

 

I=20 remember when I first came on 136KHz you did help me & it was good adv= ice,=20 I appreciated it, but your attitude seems to have changed,=20 why?

 

Gary=20 =96 G4WGT.

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ] On Behalf Of mal hamilton
Sent: 03 January 2009 20:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF:= Re: RE: QRS=20 240

 

29 countries worked on 137 all on=20 cw. What is your score.

g3kev

 

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Gary - G4WGT=20

Sent:=20 Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:28 PM

Subject:<= /FONT> LF: RE:=20 QRS 240

 

LF,

 

Oh=20 my god, he=92s doing it on 136KHz now !!!

 

Gary=20 - G4WGT.

 

From= : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org] On Behalf=20= Of mal hamilto= n
Sent:= 03 January 2009 20:22
To: rsgb
Subjec= t: LF: QRS 240<= /SPAN>

 

Its hard to believe that someone=20 on 137 is sending at qrs240 sec dot !!!.Think how long this would take f= or a=20 QSO, surprisingly there is no QSB on rhe carrier. I cannot wait for an I= D. I=20 could read it at qrs 1

g3kev

 


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