Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC082-afd494f886e3bc; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:30:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC011-afd494f886e3bc; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:30:40 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LEjvO-00088X-7R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:30:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LEjvN-00088O-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:30:17 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.156] helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LEjvN-000852-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:30:17 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C803A700008C for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:30:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from acer5gi5q0ubzj (unknown [91.107.119.54]) by mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A00E97000089 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:30:03 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081222123003655.A00E97000089@mwinf3211.me.freeserve.com From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:27:48 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: Acli3YJKfmH3vUKuQdu7OWi+3hLXVQBPk6Ug In-Reply-To: <000701c96213$ef3e2da0$4201a8c0@home> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Karma: -140: lashback.ubl=-140.0 X-Spam-Score: 3.4 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK=3.36 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Extension of the UK's 500kHz NOVs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim, =20 Thanks for your comments.=20 Your comment about out-of-band levels is correct. Ofcom's key concern in agreeing to raising our ERP level is that of the effect outside 501 - 504kHz; the reason that the upper limit is 504kHz is to provide a guard-band between our usage and 505 - 510kHz and 505 - 525kHz allocations.=20 My feeling is that Ofcom want to be able to satisfy MCA that their use, irrespective of actual systems, of the spectrum around 501 - 505KHz would not be put at risk from Amateur usage at the higher power. To make our case for Agenda Item 1.23 at WRC11 we will of course need to do some technical studies that will include looking at protection ratios with primary user services. We've already done some preliminary work on known systems, such as NAVTEX and NDBs, which look promising. I don't think that Ofcom want to get into this detail with MCA at present. The other reason for the bandwidth issue could be because of footnote 5.82A in the Radio Regulations - "The use of the band 495 - 505kHz is limited to radiotelegraphy". This footnote was inserted in the Radio Regs at WRC07. If Ofcom can say that we are restricted to 200Hz bandwidth or thereabouts and leave it up to us what actual modes are used they perhaps feel that they are keeping roughly to the spirit of 5.82A in terms of spectrum occupancy. It would obviously be in our interests to have flexibility to investigate novel modes. =20 I agree though that novel modulation modes to overcome these fades will probably need wider, rather than narrower, bandwidths if we are to keep the information rates reasonable. It's more likely though that such innovation will have to wait until we get a reasonable slice of spectrum after WRC11 - it must be the Christmas spirit making me so optimistic! 73 John, G3WKL _______