Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (rly-mh03.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.139]) by air-mh03.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH032-bc1494bde912c0; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:49:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH031-bc1494bde912c0; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:49:08 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LDjTB-00082F-Gu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:49:01 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LDjTB-000825-0e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:49:01 +0000 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LDjTA-0001Iq-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:49:00 +0000 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20081219174854.YHJQ4080.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:48:54 +0000 Received: from StudyPC ([213.106.83.43]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.2.02.00.01 201-2161-120-102-20060912) with ESMTP id <20081219174854.CVFO2093.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@StudyPC> for ; Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:48:54 +0000 From: "Dominic Baines" To: References: <898BBB3308504B42A22405C10167B13A@acer5gi5q0ubzj> In-Reply-To: <898BBB3308504B42A22405C10167B13A@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:48:53 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: Aclh9WuTJNaOaeyIRVu/Vn0m6mwaoAADA23A X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7fWeLRVB1GIA:10 a=0pBHVLuO6E0G9ddSSoQA:9 a=L6gsN2DyuO7IbL40VJQA:7 a=ZlFX8YDkLzZkrsvxw9-42Bec3_MA:4 a=zUBsD6tbDSsA:10 a=U1Lsuk945lhCM8pV:21 a=RSTZqSzIPIzSCQOF:21 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Extension of the UK's 500kHz NoVs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 John, I like the suggestions and applaud your efforts. My own 500kHz NoV application has not been sent in yet but needs to be shifted off the to do list which seems to get longer due to XYL added activities, sure you know that one. Do I still have a valid 5MHz NoV? Who/where might know? I cannot find a copy of it. One question though... I get the rsgb_lf list messages but cannot post to the list. dominic.baines@ntlworld.com is the email address subscribed I think. 72 Dom M1KTA -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould Sent: 19 December 2008 16:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Extension of the UK's 500kHz NoVs The annual discussion with Ofcom surrounding the extension of the NoVs for 500kHz took place at the Ofcom/RSGB Forum yesterday. This followed a request at the September Forum meeting and was backed up with a short paper issued to them at the end November. Apart from requesting a further year's continuation of the NoV I have asked if it will be possible to increase the ERP to +10dBW in order to bring it in line with licence conditions in some other countries. Ofcom will obviously need to consult with the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) and were asking questions about the coverage at this higher ERP level. They were also asking whether we would accept a tighter definition on transmit bandwidth. This is to be more assured of not causing problems to services within the Maritime Mobile band 505 - 510kHz and I guess for the NoVs to be more compliant with the Radio Regulations footnotes 5.82A and 5.82B for 495 - 505kHz. Getting a higher ERP limit will not necessarily be to everyone's liking, however, it may help investigation of the deep fades and also help those in high noise level environments. The ERP level and transmit bandwidth will probably be negotiable, but my aim is to achieve maximum flexibility in use of telegraphy and the narrower digimodes. Would 200Hz be sufficient or would we need a little more? Assuming that MCA approve of continuing the arrangements Ofcom indicated that their preference for extending the NoV would be as last year. This is to issue new NoVs to existing holders, anyone who no longer needs their NoV can return the documents. Comments appreciated, either direct of on the reflector. Seasonal Greetings to all 73 John, G3WKL RSGB HF Manager g3wkl@btinternet.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1856 - Release Date: 18/12/2008 20:06