Return-Path: Received: from rly-da07.mx.aol.com (rly-da07.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.81]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA024-a7b493c1516144; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:25:39 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da07.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA073-a7b493c1516144; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:25:28 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1L9OJB-0001DN-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:24:45 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1L9OJ9-0001DE-P0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:24:43 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L9OJ9-0003zX-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:24:43 +0000 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,730,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="27909271" Received: from ams-dkim-2.cisco.com ([144.254.224.139]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Dec 2008 18:24:20 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by ams-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB7IOKrU005851; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 19:24:20 +0100 Received: from stewart-bryants-computer.local (ams3-vpn-dhcp5476.cisco.com [10.61.85.99]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB7IOJkk027571; Sun, 7 Dec 2008 18:24:20 GMT Message-ID: <493C14D2.3030406@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:24:18 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Authentication-Results: ams-dkim-2; header.From=stewart@g3ysx.org.uk; dkim=neutral X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: E field active antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy Talbot wrote: > Having just had to make an active antenna for HF (for gainful > employment-type work, not Am. radio purposes. The commercially made > one we've ordered is on five weeks delivery and it was needed before > yesterday) I was wondering about a helical element. > > As the thing had to be resonably lightweight, I made the antenna > element from copper tape on 15mm plastic water pipe rather than use a > solid copper tube. Just for a bit of novelty I wound the tape in a > helix, but then started wondering if doing that would make any > difference to performance. Normally, helically winding an antenna > (rubber duck type at V/UHF) only serves to distribute loading > inductance into a short antenna to make it resonate - unlikely to > change improve the loss terms at all. But I did wonder if the added > extra inductance, or increased conductor length (not element length - > that is 1.2m) would change the performance significantly from a > straight tube. The voltage V to the fet will be a function of L the antenna length. The attenuation in the input circuit will be Cfet/(Cant + Cfet) So shortening a given strip of copper by wrapping it in a helix will reduce V whilst keeping the attenuation the same. You would do better to either run the tape straight to the same linear length which will increase the voltage in the ratio StraightLenght/WrappedLength, or fill in the gap in the helix which will increase the voltage to the fet in the ratio (GapArea + CopperArea)/CopperArea. One problem with wrapping the copper around the outside is that you make the antenna more sensitive to rain noise at LF - or so I recall from the Decca folks. Stewart/G3YSX