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From: Reeves Paul <Paul.Reeves@uk.thalesgroup.com>
To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:57:14 -0000 
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So here we go again. Marine radio operators are the 'creme de la creme' and
have tried and developed everything and radio amateurs - probably an
emphasis on 'amateur' from Mal's point of view - are only 'playing at it'.
Thanks Mal, your arrogance really takes ones breath away.

Can we please stop this?

73s
Paul     G8GJA

-----Original Message-----
From: mal hamilton [mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net]
Sent: 06 November 2008 10:45
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: QSO MODE


Rik
It has all been done before by the Marine Service, all kinds of radios and 
antennas from ships and coastal stations but to mention a few.
Broadcast stations are also abundant on this part of the spectrum, with a 
variety of powers and antennas for propagation accessment and statistical 
purposes.
Radio amateurs are only playing at it. The 500 khz band is only being used 
by around 10 persons world wide, and cannot be taken seriously as a research

and propagation experiment.
The band is void of activity most of the time so where is the so called 
research.
What did W1TAG actually see, QRM or vivid imagination,  from the reports 
that I saw there are two stns that it could have been a DL or G stn.
Where is the POSITIVE ID.
I need hard facts to be convinced, there is too much guesswork here on LF/MF

reporting.
I see reports like :- I THINK I SAW SOMETHING or WAS THAT YOU ON FREQ 
xxxxxxxxxxxx,
G3KEV


From: "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: LF: QSO MODE


> At 10:07 6/11/2008, you wrote:
>>I thought amateur radio was about exchanging information in real
>>time by sitting at a radio.
>>Others think beacons and email or telephone reporting is amateur
>>radio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>It is difficult to justify the continued allocation of 500 khz  to
>>the radio amateur service.
>>G3KEV
>
> Mal,
>
> I was involved in the process of getting a 500kHz allocation in Belgium.
> I can tell you that "exchanging information in real time by sitting
> at a radio" was not an argument to get this allocation.
> Why would we need 500kHz to do that, we already have plenty of other
> frequencies where we can make QSO's.
> We asked for a 500kHz allocation (and got it) because:
> - it gives us the opportunity to study the propagation in the lower MF 
> range
> - it gives us the opportunity to develop small antennas and optimize
> their efficiency
> - it gives us the opportunity to develop and test new transmission
> modes adapted to QRN/QRM levels and limited output power on this specific 
> band
>
> Bottom line: there is nothing wrong with making QSO's on 500kHz, but
> it is not the main reason for our presence here.
> Whenever we have to justify the 500 kHz allocation facts like G3XIZ's
> beacon transmission being copied by W1TAG will count, not the number
> of G-stations worked by G3KEV.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>


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