Return-Path: Received: from rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (rly-dg05.mail.aol.com [172.19.151.89]) by air-dg03.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDG032-5c949286492241; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:59:19 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dg05.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDG056-5c949286492241; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:59:15 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1L3ydG-0004sc-P5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:59:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1L3ydG-0004sT-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:59:06 +0000 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L3ydF-0001HV-Nn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:59:06 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-23-93.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.23.93] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1L3yd9-0002Fh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:58:59 +0000 Message-ID: <49286671.1070303@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:07:13 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <773788.70125.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <773788.70125.qm@web86501.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: More on Admittance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Alan, Thanks for the information. Most noise bridges use serial variable resistance and reactance bridges but there is a circuit of a bridge using a parallel arrangement in the W6SAI radio Handbook although it doesn't say what the advantage of such an arrangement is. Regards Peter, G3LDO > Hi Peter I think it more due to the fact that commercial bridges and meters really want to cover the widest range. There is obviously a problem with serial connected reactances when one is very much larger than the other. Then the nulls on bridges become shallow and ill defined. If you use a parallel arrangement this is not a problem. For most Amateur aerial cases you can get away with serial connection because there is not the need for the wide range needed for laboratory equipment.....10^3 compared with maybe 10^6. > > Alan G3NYK > > > > > --- On Wed, 19/11/08, Peter Dodd wrote: > > >> From: Peter Dodd >> Subject: LF: More on Admittance >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Date: Wednesday, 19 November, 2008, 6:55 PM >> Many thanks to those who responded to my question regarding >> an >> Admittance to Impedance converter. >> I have a further question. Since most of the measurements >> we make on >> antennas and transmission line require the answer in term >> of impedance >> why are there so many commercial instruments calibrated in >> units of >> Admittance, particularly at VHF and UHF. I suspect that it >> is because it >> is easier to make accurate variable bridge standards if >> they use a >> parallel arrangement; is this true >> Regards >> >> Peter, G3LDO >> >> >> >>> The best program (as far as I am concerned) is called >>> >> Z-Y Converter, >> >>> which was sent to me by Rik Strobbe. >>> It came direct because it gave the reflector >>> >> indigestion although it >> >>> is only 160KB. >>> I was given a General Radio 1602-B Admittance Meter as >>> >> a pre Christmas >> >>> present, which is calibrated in millimhos, which I >>> >> guess is the same >> >>> as millisiemens. >>> > > > >