Return-Path: Received: from rly-me09.mx.aol.com (rly-me09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.43]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9d64912c5f41d9; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:25:02 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me09.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME092-9d64912c5f41d9; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 05:24:54 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ky22K-0001Je-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:24:24 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ky22K-0001JV-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:24:24 +0000 Received: from smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.19]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ky22J-0005sj-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:24:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 18341 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2008 10:24:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eb2F1RgpbvsXCqliZBfMlU6gsXotJlaxta3UtT7pDNiRY47ouIK0/81c2ypXddKdMEfvjjrnaaS98CM1Sr1XbAqKCBjsH5n5c8xA6m9EAwPP6rhMbXDoYnvHcMmnW7GDDagy1ywEtU7EIpF3VseDHl5ZEHox2bfrVMAMThBiack= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.66?) (clive.whelan@86.152.26.28 with plain) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2008 10:24:17 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: M0..qN0VM1nonnkieOD_od2uglccDzpYrOzdvXyNtXtlWgVhFXbWML6YVzImDkiEo8ioil1FLr8qYAB1Kn6ANSkHTr8RdPAghs4imwcXG5YkfNy8E5HC1ZikIbiw8sTov8QBstUIB13RrDdC2xxjg6zZPzTTEQ6Z9geKGI_qgJxDjtUOzmp8HaEYr84- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4912C570.7060803@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:22:40 +0000 From: Clive Whelan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20080925) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007b01c93f60$25e16ab0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <49120F1F.2040000@yahoo.com> <002601c93fef$2556f800$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20081106095023.0E3DD31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20081106095023.0E3DD31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QSO MODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal is dead right! Amateur radio is about exchanging information in real time. The rest of it, e.g. beacons QRSS etc are useful adjuncts thereto, but they are merely that. I was first attracted to 500kHz by hearing the GI4SPE beacon. I then thought I would hear other stations and " real" QSOs, but I've heard NIL. OK so my antenna is pretty poor, but if I can hear and copy GI4SPE at about 539, why can't I hear anyone else? I am frankly not motivated to improve the antenna when there is no real time activity I am exhorted to get some QRSS software and read the CW off a screen. This to my mind is rather like watching paint dry. Without real time CW readable by human ears the band is of little interest and imo will die. 73 Clive GW3NJW Rik Strobbe wrote: > At 10:07 6/11/2008, you wrote: >> I thought amateur radio was about exchanging information in real time >> by sitting at a radio. >> Others think beacons and email or telephone reporting is amateur >> radio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> It is difficult to justify the continued allocation of 500 khz to >> the radio amateur service. >> G3KEV > > Mal, > > I was involved in the process of getting a 500kHz allocation in Belgium. > I can tell you that "exchanging information in real time by sitting at > a radio" was not an argument to get this allocation. > Why would we need 500kHz to do that, we already have plenty of other > frequencies where we can make QSO's. > We asked for a 500kHz allocation (and got it) because: > - it gives us the opportunity to study the propagation in the lower MF > range > - it gives us the opportunity to develop small antennas and optimize > their efficiency > - it gives us the opportunity to develop and test new transmission > modes adapted to QRN/QRM levels and limited output power on this > specific band > > Bottom line: there is nothing wrong with making QSO's on 500kHz, but > it is not the main reason for our presence here. > Whenever we have to justify the 500 kHz allocation facts like G3XIZ's > beacon transmission being copied by W1TAG will count, not the number > of G-stations worked by G3KEV. > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > >