Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf03.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF034-9714913267572; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:16:45 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF077-9714913267572; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:16:39 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ky8Sk-0005sx-KZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ky8Sk-0005so-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from smtp28.orange.fr ([80.12.242.100]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ky8Si-0005wL-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf2808.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 857C48000104 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:15:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from JR (Mix-Dijon-107-2-20.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.1.20]) by mwinf2808.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4999480000B7 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:15:49 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20081106171551301.4999480000B7@mwinf2808.orange.fr Message-ID: <200811061815320891.0D8BEE48@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <20081106095023.0E3DD31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> References: <007b01c93f60$25e16ab0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <49120F1F.2040000@yahoo.com> <002601c93fef$2556f800$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <20081106095023.0E3DD31E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:15:32 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QSO MODE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 A few points: Since its early days, amateur radio has been a broad pasture. Before the Se= cond World War the RSGB had two main sections: Experimenters, and Transmitte= r & Relay (T&R), which reflected some of the diversity of the hobby. The Ir= ish government still describes amateur radio licensees as "Experimenters". Mal is, and should be, free to pursue the aspects of amateur radio that inte= rest him, and I look forward to congratulating him when he achieves DXCC on=20= 136 kHz. However, I suggest he does not have a moral entitlement to denigra= te the activities of those who wish to conduct what my UK licence describes=20= as "technical investigations". I think he is also in error in suggesting th= at the 600 m allocation is part of the amateur service. Permits have been i= ssued in several countries (sadly not yet in France) for people to conduct e= xperiments in this part of the spectrum. A similar situation exists regardi= ng the 60 m permits issued in the UK - but in both cases, although the recip= ients of the permits are radio amateurs, the frequencies in question are not= allocated to the amateur service.=20 As to the suggestion that it has all been done before, I would point out tha= t the information that is now of interest may either never have been recorde= d, or got lost. When I first became interested in LF, I searched the techni= cal library at BTRL for anything that might be of interest. I found relativ= ely little, and nothing recent. What there was mostly dealt with the mature= technology of high power land stations with large antennas. This is a tota= lly different scenario from the average experimenter's situation and it is v= ery much to the credit of the latter that much of their work is published in= widely-available places. Other services can benefit from the results of our experiments. For example= , it became evident some years ago that a new cave radio design was required= as the existing widely-used one (the Molefone) was no longer manufactured a= nd the rescue organisations could see problems looming. What was finally se= ttled on was based on an HF SSB transceiver by John Hey, G3TDZ. Field tests= on the prototype were carried out, above and below ground, by amateurs hold= ing permits for 73 kHz, before finalising the design for the cave radio freq= uency of 87 kHz. To sum up, by all means plough your own furrow, but let others plough theirs= and remember: we have to justify our presence on the band. 73 John Rabson=20 Radio F5VLF 58800 Cervon France JN17vg