Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (rly-mg10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.116]) by air-mg04.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG043-a3c490b8f873e2; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:07:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg10.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG106-a3c490b8f873e2; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:06:52 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Kw34R-0007CR-Q3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:06:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Kw34R-0007CI-CN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:06:23 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Kw34P-0007se-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:06:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 40918 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 23:06:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=AgWbyHRaAoAO53gpX6Q2gs1oNKseEl6KZcijsmjb2YT5l8XooCq6Ekk7EGJ96axLlPkexYw7c7S8ZqY/e/USNNECrCDGP2j9uUH58Iy/lAs9zd9T1xyUOkq4C+jbgB/6IxAiQ/5/P2XRXV5q+K+8lig2WyV31UU/PTI8nB2JIMA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@213.122.48.162 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 23:06:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 788FCiIVM1lAZjdixPHONrwdS66AGL8ClbulNSCwVawD2HSZArUCzbdiSCfuMKEx_PLmbAJQwdkVKP5zaw345eV2TxsyGv0KD5BuQr_rUrRartxsYqvNJizy1S1s0DJsNehNAy8ltmcitVqQYjj_O.PHqd4EIOQIUvqPJot6gyYwEm9qR2MQJ.5z5XE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <003401c93bad$4ae0d780$0900a8c0@AM> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <580139.5850.qm@web63606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <000c01c93b91$990afa60$0900a8c0@AM> <57a24ca70810311539x73f880a3kb650f4577d7329d3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:53:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacons from Eu / UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hi Warren I dont think anything will prevent TA on 136 but it will become more difficult as the Sun becomes more active. The original crossings on 136kHz were made near the last Solar max, but it was necessary to select a favourable time, or be very lucky. Large flares and associated CMEs lead to increased path loss often for weeks. Good periods have been much more prevalent during the last 12 months and there have been few major geomagnetic events. 1 watt ERP is probably that marginal, higher powers are probably more likely to succeed more often. Another factor which muddies things is then when the first crossings were made we only have 3sec dot available via Robert Horne's Spectrogram. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Beacons from Eu / UK > Hi Alan, > > Probably not what you wanted but that is the present status. 136 is fairly > > quiet over here just now, but it may be the last good chance to make the > > crossing for a few years !! > > What are you expecting to happen that will prevent T/A on 137 in > the future? > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XJ etc > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Alan Melia wrote: > > Hi Andy there are no stations beaconing continuously on 136khz. However the > > usual way to observe the propagation is my monitoring the idle signal from > > DCF39 138.830 and/or HGA22 on 135.54. DCF39 is located at Burg near to > > Magdeburg in Germany. HGA22 is located at Lakihegy near Budapest. It is not > > as much fun as QRSS.DFCW, or WOLF, but they are very relaible. Steve Dove > > W3EEE post 24 hour strength plots, though his system is down at present. > > Most TA attempts from this side are made by arrangement usually via this > > list. > > Probably not what you wanted but that is the present status. 136 is fairly > > quiet over here just now, but it may be the last good chance to make the > > crossing for a few years !! > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Andy - KU4XR" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:13 PM > > Subject: LF: Beacons from Eu / UK > > > > > >> Greetings from the US: > >> > >> I want to monitor 136 / 137 KHz this winter for TA beacons, > >> if there are any on. Will someone tell me if there are any > >> that beacon continuously, what mode and frequency, callsign. > >> If I have a list, and know where to look, that is a starting > >> place. Thanks for your replies; 73: > >> > >> Andy - KU4XR - EM75xr - Friendsville, TN. > >> LOWfer Beacon " XR " @ 184.322 KHz > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 >