Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILINME063-9c9490174dd169; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:10:40 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME075-9c9490174dd169; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 03:10:24 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KtGoK-0007zu-Jw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:10:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KtGoJ-0007zd-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:10:15 +0100 Received: from smtp5.freeserve.com ([193.252.22.151] helo=smtp6.freeserve.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KtGdF-0003LY-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:58:50 +0100 Received: from smtp6.freeserve.com (mwinf3506 [10.232.28.34]) by mwinf3505.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D87D02000649 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:37:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3506.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BEA017000085 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:37:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from AGB (unknown [91.109.15.42]) by mwinf3506.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id D2A267000084 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:37:21 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20081023183721862.D2A267000084@mwinf3506.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <820D81CC212D462D9835F743FA4BADB1@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <005401c93157$a8203a90$6401a8c0@asus> <00D6E9FD969E46C9B3983B8076E9D9C1@DennisPC> <66A641F5B60A40E8A0758CF5E0B68EE7@AGB> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:37:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.5027.908 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.5027.908 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500 KHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C93546.C40A9320" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : post.thorcom.com ; SPF_helo = n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk ; SPF_822_from = n ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C93546.C40A9320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok Dennis, Thanks for the info ... Looking at the distance, you may be in the 'dead zon= e' which is a bit of a pain .. I must of seen your signals on cw later that=20= night , but missed the rtty qso, I don't know if Gary did any better, annoyi= ng thing is, looking at Birmingham, the signal looked quite strong ! all my= tx kit is in a big box at the moment, but I can receive on 500, with the ma= rine set and the ft897, which actually works quite well ... Fine on the rtty / fsk set up , mmty is I think the only 'free' prog that ha= s that facility ?, a tnc like the pk232 will also key directly, with a few m= ore modes, But, I wonder, have you considered making one of the tx down con= vertors, you would only need the tx side of this > http://www.radiocom.net/t= xvr.jpg < could drive in place of the vfo, and use a hf ssb tx to generate=20= via the sound card, there are a few quite 'hard' stepped tone systems in 'fl= digi' , which will go via a non linear amp , best system I think, to date= , was the olivia 8 tone 250 bw , that printed very well into the noise, but= needs a linear system, at the time I didn't try the narrow mfsk ... may giv= e similar results ?=20 Hopefully I will be back on the air by xmas, that's if the ma1723 has not de= cided to fall over through lack of use .. if it dose ill be making a copy o= f Gary's 'new' rx/tx converter and feeding it from the ft897 ! Gd luck ! Graham. From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:59 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500 KHz Hi Graham Regarding my RTTY, am using MTTY software with PTT and FSK signals taken via= the computer COM port to TX via two 2N2222 transistors operating as emitter= followers. The output of the FSK stage goes via 5k to a 1k pot with a for= ward biased silicon diode across it, to stabilise the voltage at 0.6V. The=20= slider selects the amount of voltage fed via a 68k resistor to a BA102 varac= tor in series with a 25pF trimmer, which is across the tuned circuit of the=20= VFO. The slider sets the amount of shift from 23Hz to 170Hz, though I woul= d not like to rely on the 23Hz setting too much, owing to slight drift. Thi= s arrangement normally works well, but I had problems with Chris due to a mo= dification I made to the VFO for another purpose. I am thinking of replacin= g the 2N2222s with opto-isolators, in an attempt to reduce noise on receive.= I also plan to try a loop antenna at the end of the garden for the same p= urpose. 73 Dennis M0JXM. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500 KHz Dennis, Interesting on the rtty contact, what method are you using for 'tx' ? What is your locator square ? you may be in the 'dead zone' in terns of di= stance , Gary and myself are roughly the same distance north , but after 70=20= miles or so ,there is a 'dead zone' till about 200 , I don't know, may be a=20= band 100 miles wide after that, that's a problem with the band and as you ca= n see at 600 miles, signals show up quite well at Shetland, while not showi= ng at Glasgow=20 I posted this 18/10 , : was that you on cw ?=20 Seeing a very low signal on 502.350 no audio .. looks like a cw cq call ?= 60 second tx with 'gap'=20 35 ft top load .. no atu ... ft897-d atten 'on'=20 G=20 G0NBD IO83LK=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:54 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500 KHz Hi Gary You may have heared me using RTTY on the 18th as I had a QSO with Chris G3= XIZ earlier which went wrong, and was testing my TX later during your QSO wi= th him. My main problem is that I appear to be getting our reasonably well= , but not so good on receive so didn't hear you. Sorry about that. I am working on the receive problem which is probably=20= due to high QRN at my location. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gary - G4WGT=20 To: LF -RSGB LF Group=20 Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 8:28 PM Subject: LF: RTTY QSO 500 KHz Hi LF, =20 Just had a good RTTY QSO with Chris G3XIZ. =20 Is there any other station can use RTTY, 45 Baud, 85 Hz shift ? =20 Please look for my CQ calls on 503.600 KHz =20 73, =20 Gary - G4WGT - IO83QP. =20 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008= 07:23 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 0= 7:23 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C93546.C40A9320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok Dennis,
 
Thanks for the info ... Looking at the dist= ance,=20 you may be in the 'dead zone' which is a bit of a pain .. I must of seen you= r=20 signals on cw later that night , but missed the rtty qso, I don't know=20 if Gary did any better, annoying thing is, looking at Birmingham, the=20  signal looked quite strong ! all my tx kit is in a big box at the mome= nt,=20 but I can receive on 500, with the marine set and  the ft897, whic= h=20 actually works quite well ...
 
Fine on the rtty / fsk set up , mmty i= s I=20 think the only 'free' prog that has that facility ?, a tnc like the pk2= 32=20 will also key directly, with a few more modes, But, I wonder,  have you= =20 considered making one of the tx down convertors, you would only need the tx=20= side=20 of this > http://www.radi= ocom.net/txvr.jpg <=20 could drive in place of the vfo, and use a hf ssb tx to  generate via t= he=20 sound card, there are a few quite 'hard' stepped tone systems in 'fldigi' ,=20 which will go  via a non linear  amp , best system I think,=20 to  date, was the olivia 8 tone 250 bw , that printed very  well i= nto=20 the noise, but needs a linear system, at the time I didn't try the narrow mf= sk=20 ... may give similar results ?
 
Hopefully I will be back on the air by xmas= , that's=20 if the ma1723 has not decided to  fall over through lack of use .. if i= t=20 dose ill be making a copy of Gary's 'new' rx/tx converter and feeding it fro= m=20 the ft897  !
 
Gd luck !
 
Graham.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500 KHz

Hi Graham
 
Regarding my RTTY, am using MTTY software w= ith PTT=20 and FSK signals taken via the computer COM port to TX via two 2N22= 22=20 transistors operating as emitter followers.   The output of=20 the FSK stage goes via 5k to a 1k pot with a forward biased silico= n=20 diode across it, to stabilise the voltage at 0.6V.  The slider sel= ects=20 the amount of voltage fed via a 68k resistor to a BA102 varactor in series w= ith=20 a 25pF trimmer, which is across the tuned circuit of the VFO.   Th= e=20 slider sets the amount of shift from 23Hz to 170Hz, though I would not like=20= to=20 rely on the 23Hz setting too much, owing to slight drift.  This=20 arrangement normally works well, but I had problems with Chris due to a=20 modification I made to the VFO for another purpose.  I am thinking of=20 replacing the 2N2222s with opto-isolators, in an attempt to reduce noise on=20 receive.   I also plan to try a loop antenna at the end of the=20 garden for the same purpose.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM.
----- Original Message -----
Graham
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1= 0:03=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500=20 KHz

Dennis,
 
Interesting on the rtty contact, what met= hod are=20 you using for 'tx' ?
 
What is your locator square ? you may be=20= in the=20 'dead zone' in terns of distance , Gary and myself are roughly the same=20 distance north , but after 70 miles or so ,there is a 'dead zone' till abo= ut=20 200 , I don't know, may be a band 100 miles wide after that, that's a prob= lem=20 with the band and as you can see at 600 miles, signals show up  quite= =20 well at Shetland, while not showing at Glasgow
 
 
 
I posted this 18/10 , :  was th= at you=20 on cw ?
 
Seeing a very  low signal on 502.350= no=20 audio .. looks like a cw cq call ?  60 second tx with 'gap'
 
35 ft top load .. no atu ... ft897-d = ; atten=20 'on'
 
G
 
G0NBD
 
IO83LK

Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: LF: Re: RTTY QSO 500 KHz

Hi Gary
 
You may have heared me using RTTY on the=20= 18th as=20 I had a QSO with Chris G3XIZ earlier which went wrong, and was testing my=20= TX=20 later during your QSO with him.   My main problem is that I appe= ar=20 to be getting our reasonably well, but not so good on receive so didn't he= ar=20 you.
Sorry about that.   I am workin= g on the=20 receive problem which is probably due to high QRN at my location.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008=20= 8:28=20 PM
Subject: LF: RTTY QSO 500 KHz

Hi=20 LF,

 

Just had a=20 good RTTY QSO with Chris G3XIZ.

 

Is there any=20 other station can use RTTY, 45 Baud, 85 Hz shift=20 ?

 

Please look=20 for my CQ calls on 503.600 KHz

 

73,=

 

Gary - G4WGT -=20 IO83QP.

 


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 -=20 Release Date: 10/22/2008 07:23


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG -=20 http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Rel= ease=20 Date: 10/22/2008 07:23
------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C93546.C40A9320--