Return-Path: Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINME061-9e248a20c1723c; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:18:29 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME106-9e248a20c1723c; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:18:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KT2AP-0004WL-Mz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:16:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KT2AP-0004WC-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:16:37 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KT2AL-0005Jk-0g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:16:36 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id l.cdb.3a6729e6 (37047) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB035-90b748a20bb716b; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:16:23 -0400 Received: from webmail-db19 (webmail-db19.webmail.aol.com [205.188.105.84]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA026-5bb748a20baf2b5; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:16:15 -0400 References: <1KSsk5-21hpBI0@fwd26.t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:16:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1KSsk5-21hpBI0@fwd26.t-online.de> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: g4gvw@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 92.8.27.112 by webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com (205.188.105.84) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:16:15 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACAE02BBCC962-173C-31DA@webmail-db19.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.082,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : + Hi All, I am inviting comments on a new mode that might help to satisfy both the "traditionalists" and the hankerers after new technology. My project is based on the visual semaphore but using a two tone system to define the positions of the flags. The frequency of each tone would define the angular position of each flag. Ideally, the sending speed would bear a relationship to the sender's speech rhythms and would therefore be almost infinitely variable as between characters but have a mean speed suitable to the allowed bandwidth thereby giving the equivalent of "fist". A "space" tone between characters would be a fixed frequency to be used as a pilot tone allowing synchronisation of tone detectors. I intend to call this system "Interupted Pilot Tone Dual Frequency Modulated Continuous Wave Semaphore Equivalent Signalling Telegraphy" or IPTDFMCWSEST" ! So may we please now end all these silly arguments about "appliance operators" while I return to local ragchews on my frequency modulated dishwasher and loaded dipolar strimmer! 73 de Pat g4gvw QTH Near FELIXSTOWE, UK Thought for today: What politicians do for science, hopefully science will do for them one day! -----Original Message----- From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:05 Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group As far as I know commercial morse services never tried to use the morse code for printing. For printing the teletype machines have been invented, a technology with allows many additional features to be designed, a process still ongoing. Therefore I would recommend everybody not willing to learn the morse code to follow the examples of commercial teletypers. But everybody may do what he thinks would make him happy. As I have grown up with the morse code I find it fully sufficient for what I have to communicate over radio, to keep technology simple. I guess I would never had come to amateur radio around 1950 if I had to struggle with complex communication modes as featured today. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "mal hamilton" schrieb: > The appliance operators DELIGHT !!! > No skill required, just fumble about on a keyboard, no Ears needed. Some > elocution lessons and a microphone might be a more suitable mode. > G3KEV > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Talbot" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: LF: new cw yahoo group > > > > Excellent. > > > > And if more people used computer generated morse for transmitting, the > > decoding software would be more reliable still. We don't want any of > > this hand sent, badly formatted stuff :-) > > > > Andy G4JNT > > > > 2008/8/12 Peter Cleall : > >> > >> Saw this and thought it was amusing in the light of recent postings. > >> > >> > >> Yahoo mail group dedicated to > >> CW without CW skills ! Check it at > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CW_Blasphemy/ > >> > >> The group focuses on software for receiving and sending CW , plus > >> gives tips for getting on the CW bands with NO CW skills (thus the > >> group's name). Emphasis is on contesting and DXing with CW software. > >> > >> peter > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Andy G4JNT > > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1605 - Release Date: 8/11/2008 > > 4:59 PM > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. 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