Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de04.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINDE041-4e84895d6327; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:01:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE071-4e84895d6327; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:00:54 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KPg0b-00009u-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:00:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KPg0b-00009k-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:00:37 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KPg0X-0004Yy-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:00:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 21652 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2008 16:00:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=G+avWD8Ng2Eaq4NtyjiEQJyqxdJx7Pcq0hRWSjqlpZl9zqZwon+0TnSyrbefqVGlIuQ7WoKMwVXcf/eeEin7Trnw2QVIuufdLV1gc/UsVbVk6LOHi5xQ7e6tow9jm93AZ1yNyeJEt9BqgUhRQsrypZaoeDf2cJ1lZqSsLGAFfjM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO DennisPC) (dennis.easterling@btinternet.com@86.142.159.203 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 2008 16:00:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tIsmkbgVM1lZMQVvJg7XRlVyma.VoaOc_rfxV6YwMJ7PW7i4Df2t0HR1XMI32fkfbLzsuzn7IVe26nnxbwgPL8yJl8zY0gpS_BP7sbzSPeI9BXHa1b8mbkEPXoPRfek- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <847A2BA37D8C4C88BE7899AFE777998A@DennisPC> From: "DENNIS EASTERLING" To: References: <004a01c8f19b$3d370520$a402a8c0@Inspiron> <011925433193420FAA184FA6E7F8CDA9@DennisPC> <120FCD1BCEFD4733A70BB7E4DE695E1F@AGB> In-Reply-To: <120FCD1BCEFD4733A70BB7E4DE695E1F@AGB> Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:00:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C8F58A.6CD799A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C8F58A.6CD799A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Graham Thanks for your e-mail and encouraging remarks. I have made a couple of te= st transmissions, but no comments so far. I am having to suspend ops for t= he present as my neighbour is having a nearby tree felled and I have lowered= my antenna just in case. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:27 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV Dennis, Don't worry about operation on vlf, I think you find the band acts more l= ike top band , with a well defined service area ~60/ 70 miles and a first sk= ip round 200/250 , I can see a trace at Birmingham with 500mW to my antenna=20= , only real problem is the dreaded deep fade 'qsb' whic takes the signal out= 30 seconds up to 1 minuet + , which causes havoc with rtty , as you have n= o idea if the other station copied anything .... dont suppose you have amtor= ? =20 I doubt you will cause any interference with those power levels , I ran 2= 0 watts to a inverted L 40 ft x 40 ft for a long time , which radiated quit= e well , but after adding a top loading coil found it worked a lot better ,=20= with 150 watts and a new variometer tuner , still didn't record any problems= .. Had more problems with the pc jamming the incoming signals and a funny lon= g life bulb that radiated a well spaced spectrum across the band ! check ou= t the pages on the google uk500khz web news group for links to the grabbers= etc .=20 73 's=20 Graham ..=20 G0NBD=20 From: DENNIS EASTERLING=20 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV Hi Lee I have just got my NOV to operate on 500kHz, so will be dipping my toe int= o the water from next week. I have not got any 138kHz experience and only obtained my full amateur lic= ence last May. On my application for the NOV, I provided a scale diagram of my own and im= mediate neighbour's properties, gave a brief description of the TX(home brew= ), RX(Lowe HF-225) and antenna(T) that I intend to use and an estimate of my= erp from the TANTENNA program on the internet (200mW). As I am using a VFO= , I use a counter to measure the frequency and also monitor transmissions us= ing the RX which has a digital readout. I also stated that I would cease t= ransmissions until any complaint was satisfactorily resolverd, and mentioned= two nearby amateurs also working on 500kHz whose help and advice I could se= ek. All the above seemed to work, so good luck on your application. The more=20= the merrier. 73 Dennis M0JXM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lee Hudson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV Hi All, After reading through loads of stuff and monitoring the LF Group I'm lef= t with the decision of whether to start on 136 or 500KHz. 500KHz seems much easier to deal with from the outset, and hopefully the= NoV period will be extended further next year. However the NoV itself is the possible stumbling block in that it appear= s that experience on 136KHz is a big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking fo= r, My question is, would I get away with applying for a NoV without first b= eing active on 136KHz, or has anyone already taken this route and been succe= ssful? 73, Lee M0LMH. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.7/1581 - Release Date: 7/30/2008 06= :56 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C8F58A.6CD799A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Graham
 
Thanks for your e-mail and encouraging=20 remarks.   I have made a couple of test transmissions, but no comm= ents=20 so far.   I am having to suspend ops for the present as my neighbo= ur=20 is having a nearby tree felled and I have lowered my antenna just in=20 case.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
Graham
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 1:27=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV

Dennis,
 
Don't worry about  operation on vlf,= I think=20 you find the band acts more like top band , with a well defined service ar= ea=20 ~60/ 70 miles and a first skip round 200/250 , I can see a trace at Birmin= gham=20 with 500mW to my antenna , only real problem is the dreaded deep fade 'qsb= '=20 whic takes the signal out 30 seconds up to  1 minuet + , which causes= =20 havoc with rtty , as you have no idea if the other station copied anything= =20 .... dont suppose you have amtor ?  
 
I doubt you will cause any interference=20 with  those power levels , I ran 20 watts to a inverted L =20= 40=20 ft x 40 ft for a long time , which radiated quite well , but after adding=20= a=20 top loading coil found it worked a lot better , with 150 watts and a new=20 variometer tuner , still didn't record any problems ..
 
Had more problems with the pc jamming the= =20 incoming signals and a funny long life bulb that radiated a well spaced=20 spectrum across the band  ! check out the pages on the google =20 uk500khz web news group for links to the grabbers etc .
 
73 's
 
Graham ..
 
G0NBD
 
 
 

Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: LF: Re: 500KHz NoV

Hi Lee
 
I have just got my NOV to operate on 500k= Hz, so=20 will be dipping my toe into the water from next week.
 
I have not got any 138kHz experience and=20= only=20 obtained my full amateur licence last May.
On my application for the NOV, I provided= a=20 scale diagram of my own and immediate neighbour's properties, gave a=20 brief description of the TX(home brew), RX(Lowe HF-225) and antenna(T)=20 that I intend to use and an estimate of my erp from the TANTENNA prog= ram=20 on the internet (200mW).  As I am using a VFO, I use a counter to mea= sure=20 the frequency and also monitor transmissions using the RX which has a digi= tal=20 readout.   I also stated that I would cease transmissions until=20= any=20 complaint was satisfactorily resolverd, and mentioned two nearby amateurs=20= also=20 working on 500kHz whose help and advice I could seek.
 
All the above seemed to work, so good luc= k on=20 your application.  The more the merrier.
 
73 Dennis M0JXM
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Lee Hudson
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:50= =20 PM
Subject: LF: 500KHz NoV

Hi All,

 

After reading through loads=20= of=20 stuff and monitoring the LF Group I=92m left with the decision of whethe= r to=20 start on 136 or 500KHz.

 

500KHz seems much easier to=20= deal=20 with from the outset, and hopefully the NoV period will be extended furt= her=20 next year.

However the NoV itself is th= e=20 possible stumbling block in that it appears that experience on 136KHz is= a=20 big plus that Ofcom appear to be looking for,

 

My question is, would I get=20= away=20 with applying for a NoV without first being active on 136KHz, or has any= one=20 already taken this route and been successful?

 

73,

Lee M0LMH.

 

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