Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (rly-ma02.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.46]) by air-ma06.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILINMA064-89548add4e9372; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:50:16 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA027-89548add4e9372; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:49:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KWH5z-00062L-BB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:49:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KWH5y-00062C-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:49:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.17] helo=smtpout09.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KWH5u-0000rh-N7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:49:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 31319 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2008 20:48:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (64.206.3.50) by smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.17) with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2008 20:48:37 -0000 Message-ID: <48ADD53E.80000@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:51:10 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <281222.921.qm@web26004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <001301c901e6$917c2d30$2201a8c0@PC2> <731EB49F88B309428FFDDD2423F810E441C128@HERMES4.ds.leeds.ac.uk> <48AADCE5.7070602@virgin.net> <034D836CD37D497C80547813F78DE240@AGB> <48AB191F.2070100@w1tag.com> <2BD00AC139914C138F0FB6FE5FB00F4D@AGB> <48AD575F.3010204@w1tag.com> <1ED6E58E4A6A4E8E801AF303F0C61DE9@AGB> In-Reply-To: <1ED6E58E4A6A4E8E801AF303F0C61DE9@AGB> X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Keyboard Modes for 600 Meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, Again, with the dangers of replying from work... You should be able to run MFSK 8 or 16 through your grinder...those are single-tone-at-a-time systems, and have very nice FEC for this sort of work. John A. Graham wrote: > Ok John, > > I spent a while last year looking for modes that would go through these > 'Meat grinder' transmission systems , only found , RTTY , Amtor arq/fec, > Pactor arq/fec and Hf Packet , 'hell' of course , but thats in a gray > zone .... I think the original Jason system will but with the advent of > 'Bill's joined up writing, windows 'xp' it looks to of fallen over ..My > version crashes on rx/tx change over . I think it made sequential > frequency change steps, which where measured by rx software and thus > determined the character .... which on 500 would be a good system, with > no lock up time and presumably would print correctly to the point of > loosing the last set of tones ?... > > Graham .. > > Ps (Alberto, any chance of a recompiled 'xp' version ? ) > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "John Andrews" > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:54 PM > To: > Subject: Re: LF: Keyboard Modes for 600 Meters > >> >> Graham, >> >>> I think you will find , olivia runs more than one tone at any one >>> time and produces a 'two tone test' envelope , simple check, view the >>> sound card o/p on a scope ? >> >> (Belated reply...) Yes, you are correct about Olivia -- easily >> confirmed with a scope in a short on-air test. This once again teaches >> me not to make quick observations while at work! >> >> John W1TAG >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: >> 270.6.6/1623 - Release Date: 8/20/2008 08:12 >> >> >> > > > >