Return-Path: Received: from rly-db03.mx.aol.com (rly-db03.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.78]) by air-db01.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILINDB011-ab748b67e18107; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:29:54 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB035-ab748b67e18107; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:29:46 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KYekq-0003MU-JI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KYekp-0003ML-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:28 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KYekm-0001o1-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:27 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id A151124A010 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from 212.137.53.1 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user gm4slv) by sighthound.demon.co.uk with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:42 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <38977.212.137.53.1.1219919382.squirrel@sighthound.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006501c908f3$c99610a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> References: <006501c908f3$c99610a0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:29:42 +0100 (BST) From: "John P-G GM4SLV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.060,WHY_WAIT=0.412 Subject: Re: LF: 531khz etc Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME,WHY_WAIT autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal wrote: > I wonder if the fault has been rectified just as a matter of interest It is much better, thanks for asking. Occupied bandwidth now 4.8kHz, with clearly defined cut-off due to appropriate baseband filtering. Modulation depth is now only 40% though, which means it's a bit quiet, but no severe carrier cut-off on peaks of negative mod, so no severe splatter over adjacent channels at least. There is still some evidence of wider spaced noise-like artifacts, much, much reduced in amplitude from what they were, in the 500kHz band, so it's a step in the right direction, but more work needed. I've communicated this to the commissioning engineer, along with supporting spectrum plots etc. This new TX is a 50kW Thomson TMW2050, and will be moved soon to a new building and become a standby TX. Another new 100kW TX is to be installed as the main TX. All the modulation problems and spurii should be cleared up as part of the final commissioning, later this year. > it is not causing me a problem in this area That's good, for you. Hopefully by reporting this to the broadcaster, and through liaison with the commissioning engineer from the manufacturer I've helped others who may have had problems, it certainly improved the band for me. It has also helped the broadcaster, before falling foul of the ITU, as they were well out of spec. > however I wonder why there is not the same enthusiasm to clear up the > RTE harmonic on the 500 khz band and also the Loran spread across the > 137 khz band. Well, if you perceive it to be a problem, then ask yourself why you, personally, haven't done anything about it? Why wait for someone else to do the hard work? If you think RTE's 2nd harmonic is outside ITU specification, and is causing undue interference, then by providing suitable supporting evidence, measurements etc. it should be an open and shut case. Contact the broadcaster or regulatory body and state your case. Go on, put yourself out for the good of the community, instead of sitting there moaning that the rest of us are all feckless appliance operators. Take a break from working DX on top-band and use your RF skills to help the amateur community. John GM4SLV