Return-Path: Received: from rly-df10.mx.aol.com (rly-df10.mail.aol.com [172.19.156.23]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-58348b74253279; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:27:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-df10.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDF106-58348b74253279; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:27:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KYroS-00028g-Sz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:26:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KYroS-00028X-6Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:26:04 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KYroQ-0007f8-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:26:04 +0100 Received: from lurcher.twatt.local (lurcher.twatt.local [192.168.1.4]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD71D24A010 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:26:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:26:20 +0100 From: John Pumford-Green To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20080829012620.43a52824@lurcher.twatt.local> In-Reply-To: <000d01c90956$57d9d1a0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> References: <003601c90117$21a3d370$0301a8c0@lindavideo> <20080828220835.5f206317@lurcher.twatt.local> <000d01c90956$57d9d1a0$0401a8c0@lindavideo> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : post.thorcom.com ; SPF_helo = n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : sighthound.demon.co.uk ; SPF_822_from = n On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:37:58 +0100 "Ken" wrote: > Hello John . > Thank you for the report, the other station was indeed M0FMT, I am > very pleased with your report, 100mW ERP with a 7 m vertical section > using my doublet with the 430 ohm balanced feeder commoned at the > variometer, doing okay up into Shetland. With all the coments > recently on the reflector regarding 500kHz should I stay QRP and not > upgrade to 1W ERP ? Hello Ken, Glad to have been able to give you a report. I wish I'd been quicker and got an audio recording for you. I'm doing some comparative receiver testing, between my IC718 and a IC-R75 I have on loan, so I was switching around all over the bands when I heard the end of your QSO! As to your question on power, well, I'd say you should increase the ERP if you can, and I'll explain why... Real QRP is all well and good, but on a noisy band, when everyone (mostly) is using compromise antennas and many have high local noise levels, we really need to maximise the S/N ratio. As well as that, there's the "self-training" aspect. This is an experimental band. Just settling for the bare minimum station isn't going to teach us much, except patience, waiting for the elusive QSO! Learning how to improve ERP is one of the interesting things about LF/MF. It's not always about higher TX power, although this obviously comes into it. Being able to change something - earthing, antenna dimensions, the location and amount of capacity and inductive loading - and then quantifying the change in ERP - all part of the learning process. Some people seem to miss this bit - QUANTIFYING our work - and not just in terms of logbook pages filled! It's not about rattling off QSOs, the QSOs are just the final piece of the puzzle, the result of our experimental work. Much can be gained, and shared with the rest of us, without even having QSOs. More TX power is also good for self-learning. A new design of amplifier, a new technique - class C to D to E.... a progression away from our comfort zone into new waters. Where else can you play with high power amplifiers (100s of watts) and still be running QRP, in ERP terms!? This is great fun! Good luck and hope to have a CW QSO soon. John GM4SLV