Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh11.mx.aol.com (rly-mh11.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.147]) by air-mh04.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH043-61a4856bc6b179; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:18:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh11.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH117-61a4856bc6b179; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:18:06 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1K8KCg-0004hT-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:17:22 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1K8KCf-0004hK-EX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:17:21 +0100 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.229]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K8KCd-0004dH-8X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:17:21 +0100 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 69so2914559wra.16 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:17:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=Z3GKbca6aVQkeUmCIhLNFO0PmJ8pt76X9ff4MKj2Des=; b=UqtdN++4QHLeMOw85jRNjS0ADWqI15AixcowDSEH4DC9E89695WRAHvopCxH0GkJeY 7rjivhk2a4yR1+ZnScwGfUG6S095277Gg3D9Z4hLRr6wxeIjwnQRc6yZ8/GTQMts/xlk Su0/kYjWIZ93bKHgyUetdFzObE38Bd6eRof2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=d1e6QR8YArNd34zQRACWHc2h8rAm6ydv4IZJBbjj8WUySmBy3xeVCRcTkFZY6+0FKm Ivk4pmLDhmK8Xg1pXYCP7GP1g+5wS0b+Lm8clSg2WFDKgzV0yV4wTXlOQeuKLsUcnJs0 Xc1MuX8EL4+PS+TuaPwC7QG8J5wmoXPvXH900= Received: by 10.151.112.4 with SMTP id p4mr11286692ybm.232.1213643834861; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.50.21 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:17:14 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "ve2zaz@amsat.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: VE2ZAZ GPSDO findings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : post.thorcom.co ; SPF_helo = X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : googlemail.co ; SPF_822_from = X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d271.2 ; domain : googlemail.com DKIM = fail X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Having now completed and mostly tested two VE2ZAZ GPS Controlled oscvillators, I can say I'm rather more than quite impressed with what can be achieved. Both GPSDOs were built using good quality single ovenned OCXOs, one a brand new Morion unit with 20Hz total tuning range (no other coarse adjustment provided - interesting); the other with one of the surplus OCXOs from The old Decca Navigator units, made by Piezo Products. Alan, did you once say these had a particulalrly good performance in some area? The PPS input comes from a Trimble Palisade timing unit - one where all the electronics is in the head unit and communicates to ground using RS422 balanced signalling. The palisade has a PPS stability greatly exceeding that of a low cost GPS receiver module, so means a good GPSDO performance ought to be achieved with averaging times of minutes to tens of minutes, rather than the hours otherwise required and necessitating a double ovenned oscillator to ride-out the period. The Morion OCXO unit, because of its wide tuning range and fast warm up oven, can be used in a quick start circuit design. From cold turn-on it locks within 20 minutes, and within an hour a frequency stability of 3E-9 can be achieved, using an averaging period of 64 seconds (4 samples per average). After several days a few parts in 1E-10 was achieved by lengthening the averaging period gradually. This OCXO, being new, was continually being adjusted by the controller and presumably after weeks of operation it will settle down. I haven't soak tested this GPSDO one any more, keeping it as a quick start standby. The source of this module, stated that it was a preferred option in timing equipment that had to be turned on from cold and be ready quickly - it was supposed to have good retrace performance. The unit using the old Decca unit is a different story. It had to have a stabilised 18V supply as the tuning voltage appears to be applied wrt. the input supply volts, but once I realised this after the first day of testing and added a regulator / SMPSU, it is rock-steady. The VCO tuning is only 1Hz over the full 1 - 10V span, and now, after three days continuous operation, the GPSDO is only making fine adjustments from time to time. Over the last 2 days it has only shifted by 6 fine-adjustment steps in total. Each fine adjustment is a few parts in 10E-12, so the stability is excellent. I'm still using a reasonably short averaging time of 256 seconds, but with this level of performance, can probably set it longer. Beating the 10MHz output against that from the HP source (the caesium reference box, but in free run mode) with a frequency accuracy currently of 3E-10 the phase meter stays pretty stationary if I sit and watch it, although coming back after a few hours it has moved noticeably. This GPSDO has been built into a permanently-on rack mouted unit with battery back up (a switch mode module needed for the +18V supply, annoyingly!) and will eventually be used as the shack reference instead of the HP5061. If anyone has one of these ex Decca OXCOs, use it!. After more than 20 years of continuous use in the Decca chain it will be thoroughly burned-in. The GPSDOs themselves were very easy to build and set up - I made my own PCBs from the article (after some playing with the image to mirror one side), and of course programmed the PICs myself from the listing on the website. Also added an 2x40 char LCD using another PIC to display the data coming from the monitor port. Had contemplated modfiying the 18F2220 firmware to drive an LCD directly as there were more than enough I/O lines left and plenty of memory space, but being less familiar with PIC 18F code as I am with 16F, it was easier to write a separate RS232 decoder sending the data directly to a LCD. I also intend to use this PIC to decode / display the time and date coming from the Palisade, and convert to NMEA for external use, also to issue a subset of commands (such as clear alarm, set short / long averaging) to the 'ZAZ unit from front panel controls to save connecting up a PC to make the changes. -- Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt