Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da02.mail.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILINDA021-a764826fbb227; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:59:21 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA066-a764826fbb227; Sun, 11 May 2008 09:59:17 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JvC4o-0004qN-Iv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JvC4o-0004qE-4c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:58 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JvC4l-0002D1-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:57 +0100 Received: from lurcher.twatt.local (lurcher.twatt.local [192.168.1.4]) by greyhound.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B2B1028C; Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 14:58:44 +0100 From: John Pumford-Green GM4SLV To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20080511145844.5cb3bbf8@lurcher.twatt.local> In-Reply-To: <01ff01c8b369$c764f740$0301a8c0@g3kev> References: <01ff01c8b369$c764f740$0301a8c0@g3kev> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.9; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.151 Subject: Re: LF: email qso Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:20:26 -0000 "mal" wrote > The trend on 500 seems to be Beacon mode and reply > via email or watch your own signal on a Grabber !!!!!! > Real QSO'S on this band are very rare. Is this what was intended when > permits were issued to experiment on 500? If the data gathered, by the methodology chosen, is valuable to the operator of the station concerned and aids them in their stated experimental aims then YES! Can you point out anywhere in the Special Research Permit a clause that restricts stations only to real time, 2-way, manual, hand sent telegraphy by on/off keying? I can't. As long as the licence conditions relating to station identification, power (remember there is an ERP limit... some stations seem to forget that...) and mode of transmission are followed then operators are perfectly entitled to radiate signals intended for reception by other stations even if the return path for the "contact" is not by the same method as that of the transmission itself. If information is gleaned which helps the operator of the experimental station transmitting on 500kHz (or helps the remote receiving station in their own research/experiment/self-training) then that's entirely within the intention and spirit of the special permit. I suspect every SRP holder has different stated purposes for their research, and have been granted a permit by OFCOM to persue that aim. It is not your place to decide whether their aims are valid or not, or the techniques they choose to persue those aims. OFCOM and the RSGB have granted the SRP, and it is up to the individual operator to act in such a way as to gain maximum value from any operation on the band. J