Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMD043-926483ec35fe2; Thu, 29 May 2008 10:53:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD096-926483ec35fe2; Thu, 29 May 2008 10:53:22 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1K1jUs-0005dF-2q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 15:52:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1K1jUr-0005d6-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 15:52:53 +0100 Received: from mailout01.t-online.de ([194.25.134.80]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K1jUm-0000ts-SE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 15:52:53 +0100 Received: from fwd24.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.t-online.de with smtp id 1K1jUh-00079v-00; Thu, 29 May 2008 16:52:43 +0200 Received: from [192.168.2.22] (TWM4tTZvghnvUeLctQvU9FPjKog40zczGc3M0uGJ+iH7YAhiM4xuv3LLGZtJu4AQxv@[217.95.101.34]) by fwd24.t-online.de with esmtp id 1K1jUP-2DC1qq0; Thu, 29 May 2008 16:52:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<89975.60723.qm@web27612.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20080522083548.021D331E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1JzI3q-1TRrQ80@fwd33.t-online.de> <4836C5DA.1090806@mbsks.franken.de> <20080529073300.EBDE831E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To:<20080529073300.EBDE831E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.05.0004 Date: 29 May 2008 14:52 GMT Message-ID: <1K1jUP-2DC1qq0@fwd24.t-online.de> X-ID: TWM4tTZvghnvUeLctQvU9FPjKog40zczGc3M0uGJ+iH7YAhiM4xuv3LLGZtJu4AQxv X-TOI-MSGID: 65097cd8-3645-41e5-a56b-a4ad1995e59e X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.025,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: antenna losses Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Dear Rik, when I had been the wireless operator of DCUW in 1957 the sailors once had set up a sunsail in a way that it touched the downlead of the ship's T-aerial. It had not been possible to tune the aerial on MF using the variometer of the MF transmitter! On HF, where the T-aerial has also been employed, tuning was normal. We all would regard a sunsail a "non-conducting" device, but for an aerial with a typical impedance of about 50000 ohms the effect was obvious. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Rik Strobbe" schrieb: > Dear all, > > as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it > was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the > antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A). > A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So > I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK there. > During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I > noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was > cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just > one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the > downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a > bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now > the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1 A. > > Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any greenery, > but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one (meanwhile > dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm plastic isolation). > > The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 > Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves). > Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 > m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm. > This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than > compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB) > > During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I > measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 > Ohm (or 1.2 dB). > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > >