Return-Path: Received: from rly-me02.mx.aol.com (rly-me02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.35]) by air-me07.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME072-9a4477ab9ff16d; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:09:08 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME028-9a4477ab9ff16d; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:09:05 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1J9pGy-0005kD-Sq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:07:44 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1J9pGy-0005k4-17 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:07:44 +0000 Received: from smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.12] helo=smtpout08.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J9pGu-0004Pw-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:07:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 14326 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2008 22:07:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.177.53.244) by smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.12) with ESMTP; 01 Jan 2008 22:07:29 -0000 Message-ID: <477AB9A0.5010007@w1tag.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 22:07:28 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <477AA0AB.1000300@w1tag.com> <002d01c84cbe$d255e180$0e00000a@AGB> In-Reply-To: <002d01c84cbe$d255e180$0e00000a@AGB> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keyboard modes for 600 meters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Graham, > Non of the send and forget modes are of any use on 500 as you have no > idea if the other end has even seen your signal ,let alone resolved it, > that's unless the station is in ground range and then any mode works , Perhaps with the higher ERP's over here we are getting better results, as excellent winter-time copy with FEC has been fairly easy over long distances. If suitable ARQ software materializes, we'll be happy to put it through its paces. My T/R setup would certainly need some redesigning, first! Clunk! John Andrews, W1TAG