Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.205.133]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINYB44-17547a192e4169; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:20:53 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB13-17547a192e4169; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:20:38 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JKVal-0001sy-TV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:20:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JKVak-0001sp-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:20:18 +0000 Received: from mta01.xtra.co.nz ([210.54.141.254]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JKVaf-0002nQ-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:20:18 +0000 Received: from fep04.xtra.co.nz ([172.23.12.41]) by mta01.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20080131092004.TNSE6316.mta01.xtra.co.nz@fep04.xtra.co.nz>; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:20:04 +1300 Received: from SN2941077064 ([210.54.107.32]) by fep04.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20080131092003.ZOIL17371.fep04.xtra.co.nz@SN2941077064>; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:20:03 +1300 Message-ID: <003101c863ea$743b2770$206b36d2@SN2941077064> From: "gboorerzl3pn" To: Cc: References: <000801c863ab$49872450$bf5d60cb@SN2941077064> <20080131082252.CA2F231E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:19:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: water heated by soundwaves Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C86457.6A32DDF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C86457.6A32DDF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay Rick on ultrasonics...Had a practical experience with that with the bre= ak up of kidney stones by ultasonics...Called here the lithotrypsey machine=20= or name like it....they zerode.. in on my kidney stones and smashed them int= o smaller pieces ..i kept awake and watched the procedure a weird thing but=20= it works well....73s george zl3pn ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Strobbe=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: LF: water heated by soundwaves George, ultrasonic waves are "shockwaves" (just like sound, only at higher frequen= cy) that change the density of the medium. A complete different mechanism th= an electromagnetic waves. If you add energy into the water, no matter how, it will heat and eventual= ly boil. Nothing to be stunned about. Ultrasonic waves have been used for ages to heat stuff. Big advantage is t= hat the energy can be focused to one spot to get local heating. Ultrasonic ovens It has also been proposed as "save alternative" to microw= ave ovens, but with little success as it turned out to be very expensive to=20= build an oven that would withstand the vibrations. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 02:47 31/01/2008, you wrote: hi a most interesting news item on nz tv..An elderly gent. (90s) has got= a device where he inserts a sphere into a large tumble of water and after a= short period the warter boils..he says its done bye ultra sonics...It has s= tunned professors and science standards...he wont let on much...thats the mi= llion dollar question just ??? i got a feeling the highfreqency audio electr= ic current is heating the water ..BUT IS IT....george zl3pn Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm for more info= rmation.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C86457.6A32DDF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay Rick on ultrasonics...Had a practical=20 experience with that with the break up of kidney stones by ultasonics...Call= ed=20 here the lithotrypsey machine or name like it....they zerode.. in on my kidn= ey=20 stones and smashed them into smaller pieces ..i kept awake and watched the=20 procedure a weird thing but it works well....73s  george zl3pn
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Rik Strobbe
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:= 24=20 PM
Subject: Re: LF: water heated by=20 soundwaves

George,

ultrasonic waves are "shockwaves" (just like= =20 sound, only at higher frequency) that change the density of the medium. A=20 complete different mechanism than electromagnetic waves.
If you add ene= rgy=20 into the water, no matter how, it will heat and eventually boil. Nothing t= o be=20 stunned about.
Ultrasonic waves have been used for ages to heat stuff.=20= Big=20 advantage is that the energy can be focused to one spot to get local=20 heating.
Ultrasonic ovens It has also been proposed as "save alternativ= e"=20 to microwave ovens, but with little success as it turned out to be very=20 expensive to build an oven that would withstand the vibrations.

73,= Rik=20 ON7YD - OR7T

At 02:47 31/01/2008, you wrote:
hi a most=20 interesting news item on nz tv..An elderly gent. (90s) has got a device=20 where he inserts a sphere into a large tumble of water and after a short= =20 period the warter boils..he says its done bye ultra sonics...It has stun= ned=20 professors and science standards...he wont let on much...thats the milli= on=20 dollar question just ??? i got a feeling the highfreqency audio electric= =20 current is heating the water ..BUT IS IT....george=20 zl3pn


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