Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (rly-mf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.175]) by air-mf02.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF021-95d479615e733a; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:12:34 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf05.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF053-95d479615e733a; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:12:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JHLir-0006UK-GC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:11:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JHLiq-0006UB-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:11:36 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JHLin-0001y0-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:11:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 61726 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2008 16:11:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=YbKXqr1Kr3DzIGCOyfIPOVzjroQIvckqyq5w3kwEsv5KGs8xty/KPimAd47hgr6if9g5qKBxtCtje2VmxUeT1rQ2TxhsEbmC3UFOVpzgS9ELDAd3X5HY5ZG65wE3qWUQQRjYi6v7zlF104rXZBVeGG0bLarnh5Ww7HXoattzX2s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.37.180 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2008 16:11:23 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SUbKQDkVM1nSgdP5JNp6L29wfy_bPG4g7MdxyncEN2KmyPOt7QDMYIk_3Lshu40tZlUK9SfZFg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <001a01c85d11$71691b40$0900a8c0@Lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000501c85c3d$4fa2f820$0b01a8c0@weazle> <20080122135712.5D7C8F3862@smtps02.kuleuven.be> <4795FB87.1060805@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:10:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Fenceline longwire Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Mike the problem with this is it becomes a narrow band antenna which is not what JB wants.....It also destroys its action as a "travelling wave" antenna. It will then be a heavily top-loaded but very low "L" . It might even be worse than as it is !! I dont know what happens if he uses distributed loading, it then looks like a low-pass filter!! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike WE0H" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: Fenceline longwire > What if JB put a big loading coil in the fence wire? I would think that > would work just like our loaded short verticals...Sure there would be > losses but we have losses in our transmitting antennas also. > > Mike > WE0H > > > Rik Strobbe wrote: > > J.B. , > > > > I simulated the fence wire with MMANA. > > On HF (80m, 40m) I got the expected (bi)directivity and low offset > > angle. > > But on 500kHz the horizontal pattern is almost omnidirectional and the > > offset angle is 78 degrees. > > It seems that (at least in theory) even 1200 foot is too short to be > > long on 500kHz ... > > Or does MMANA not work properly ? > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD >