Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (rly-dd04.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.151]) by air-dd06.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINDD062-b73472dfa1930b; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd04.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD045-b73472dfa1930b; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:58:02 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ioin2-0001eT-Fh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:57:36 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ioin1-0001eK-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:57:35 +0000 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.176]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ioimy-0003uB-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:57:35 +0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so2637042pyi for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:57:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RrBUqW0lncBDqQQhWQQRXFwKfTCXmezXPNNUH+mdWBY=; b=PBjCVcW373KJa8X5LMyrqqRK4AOGLwJqYoVGa7mse4gH3wnCVc3NFwMRvkboXiu4+jLLKClFHRLsxTQwRjGpEtWY80ZzcS9b11gkzQQ25QPqSF7EoXs7tkNbkrkhbm5wfukaha6dg4naANUL+oikfuJc+tx7ORPolSr5KGfzxbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AbGSZ5Obj9j1eps8FZVftJO75U6JOWCnUX6cAExDZeXMzleEBSWlb0e6ofeMcs7kW7hv72IWOCOd+S4L4d0RMCXDGdHRmw8zYz8gS5fx8bohCVREwS/QrUckFZJKzZ4aWiYaN73j9vv52qtzxWQtUXIQ9AnI9i9Wb1lPhKiutqo= Received: by 10.35.117.5 with SMTP id u5mr4938971pym.1194195448845; Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.35.100.10 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:57:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:57:28 +0000 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000701c81ee2$84728900$df2a7ad5@w4o8m9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline References: <000701c81ede$3af050e0$1ae4fc3e@g3kev> <000701c81ee2$84728900$df2a7ad5@w4o8m9> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: CLASS D and E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) In my 700 Watt direct-from mains transmitter http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/137tx.pdf efficiency came out somewhere between 80 to 90%. As Jim says, its difficult to measure accurately At one point, due to measurement errors, the calculated efficiency ended up at 105%. Andy G4JNT On 04/11/2007, James Moritz wrote: > Dear Mal, LF Group, > > > > Hi all > > Class D and E amplifiers are supposed to give around 80/90 % efficiency. > Has > > anyone actually achieved these figures. It seems anything above 60% is > hard > > to arrive at using normal coils/capacitors. > > > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Certainly you should be getting better than 80% for a reasonable class D or > E design at LF or MF. I find about 90% is typical for a "good" design - it > is actually quite hard to get an accurate figure due to the small difference > between DC input and RF output powers. > > In my designs I have used silver-mica or polypropylene capacitors, which > have very low losses at these frequencies. For inductors, I have used > air-wound coils and Micrometals -2 mix iron-dust toroid cores - the rule > here is if doesen't get excessively hot with the key down, the power loss is > probably ok! For most class D and E designs, which have quite low loaded-Q > tank circuits (<5, say) an inductor Q of 100 or more is probably adequate > and fairly easy to achieve. If you want to use a high loaded-Q tank circuit, > it might be another story... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > >