Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (rly-dd02.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.149]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINDD084-b64472af0bf36; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:41:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd02.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD026-b64472af0bf36; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:41:21 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Int1G-0004DH-Vr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:40:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Int1F-0004D8-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:40:50 +0000 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Int14-0003qh-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:40:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 92075 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2007 09:40:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@81.157.220.230 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2007 09:40:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UNpx_joVM1lcpsUL8hRPQrNQ7QuvIoCsZiWRwx.Y7AB7RVESkNuz0kPopwoWKmNr_DxH8H0RBZdJpKNBG.tQd8NTLfUyRYjcsZlgkMh22c4Iu0sX From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:40:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <472AF08F.9049.B41215@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <20071102090053.045dfdf1@lurcher.twatt.local> References: <001c01c81c0b$ef981a80$2201a8c0@PC2>, <003c01c81cca$6c685ed0$0d00000a@AGB>, <20071102090053.045dfdf1@lurcher.twatt.local> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.072 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500 kHz report / Great expectations Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : On 2 Nov 2007 at 9:00, John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote: > However, I don't think Dave runs even 25W though, and his antenna, by > his own admission, is very inefficient due to his sandy soil so he's > doubly handicapped:- > > Low TX power and poor efficiency. I run around 6W output. My original calculations which was what the wording on my NOV application were based, was that the maximum power I would use would be 10W and that my proposed vertical would produce around 100mW erp. And my objective, as also stated on my NOV application, was to evaluate the use of 500kHz from a 'typical urban property'. To that extent I have now evaluated my experiments. The earth loss, at 150 ohms measured, proved rather higher than the 20 ohms or so that I assumed in those original calculations. The results I am getting are very much in keeping with my setup and antenna. Using a vertical antenna with no horizontal section there is very little high angle radiation. So within the ground wave zone, 100- 150 miles or so, results have been remarkably good and I can have excellent chats with some of the stations in this area. Because there is no high angle radiation longer distance stations are hard to work, much as I experience in using this vertical on 160m. But I would expect at even further distances, eastern Europe, for instance when the sky wave is at a low angle, results may be a bit better. Remember also that any antenna with a horizontal section will radiate from that section. Theory may say it cancels out due to earth reflection, but that is only really true if you have a perfect earth. As for running higher power, that is not really my option. Regardless of saying that I would not run more than 10W on my NOV surely the answer is to find ways of lowering the earth resistance to something more comparable with what others experience rather than just heating up the garden with virtually all the power. I shall not be doing that myself, others may see it as an answer. Since I shall be changing the antenna over to 160m before CQWW at the end of the month, it is probably fairly academic. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com