Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (rly-dd09.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.156]) by air-dd10.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINDD103-b984744453d30d; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:48:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd09.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD092-b984744453d30d; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:48:41 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Iuqrj-0005Zd-Uj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:47:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Iuqrj-0005ZU-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:47:47 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Iuqrh-0000oq-8x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:47:47 +0000 Received: from saluki.ngw.uk.com (unknown [192.168.1.4]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DE0DA4D8 for ; Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:47:15 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:43:08 +0000 From: John GM4SLV To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20071121144308.6bbd059b@saluki.ngw.uk.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01c82c48$a1cf8b60$51d0fc3e@g3kev> References: <000c01c82b85$97ec0010$2ee4fc3e@g3kev> <47430398.8000702@telia.com> <000201c82bc1$3c442300$2be4fc3e@g3kev> <20071120225305.4f9303d9@lurcher.twatt.local> <003301c82c25$718801d0$16e4fc3e@g3kev> <20071121101723.4470e722@saluki.ngw.uk.com> <000c01c82c48$a1cf8b60$51d0fc3e@g3kev> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.8.20; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: CLASS E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:20:17 -0000 "hamilton mal" wrote: > You were a late starter on 500. I would say you have missed a lot. > G3KEV > > Undoubtedly I was and certainly I have. Your snide comments aside, I'm referring to your recent reported measurements and optimisation of tuning components to achieve good drain waveform as recounted by you on 18th November. It was a very interesting report, showing what can be done by observing the waveform to determine the necessary adjustments to tuning and loading on these amplifiers. I assume that after all the painstaking work to select the correct values of capacitor to get the optimal drain waveform that you measured the efficiency? If you've previously posted such results, prior to June 2007 when I joined the LF reflector, then I will certainly have missed them, but then your earlier data is not relevent to the recent reported study. I simply asked if you could fill us in with the important details of power input/output and efficiency (which surely is the point of using these Class-E amplifiers) which your report (copied below) seems to lack. Regards John Hi all I carried out some analysis on my fet pa today to check the waveform for true class E. Monitoring the drain on a scope revealed that the waveform was almost correct but needed a slight increase in capacity for C2 for an almost perfect switch at 502.5 khz. Increasing/decreasing the voltage did not make a big difference to the waveform, at the design voltage it was only slightly better. Using a DL I altered the freq and found the perfect waveform at 535.9 khz, so I expect logically increasing the value of C2 would correct the anamoly at 502.5 khz. I have not altered it yet because I do not have a suitable capicator. I did observe some ripple on the waveform that is probably caused by feed through from the driver, it was more pronunced at a V lower than the design voltage, but improved with a V increase. In spite of the above observations the PA performs well and seems very robust. The RF pwr out measurements using the DL or the Antenna do not vary, indicating that the antenna is well matched to 50 ohms via the atu at the base of the inv L. I thought the above observations might be interesting to would be class E constructors. Considering mine was built from junk box bits, including the 60 year old ceramic ex TU5 tuning unit coil it works very well. The fet is out of an old marine tx.