Return-Path: Received: from rly-md09.mx.aol.com (rly-md09.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.147]) by air-md04.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINMD041-92247274f2158; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:35:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md09.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD092-92247274f2158; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:34:59 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Imt6z-00008U-3R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:34:37 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Imt6y-00008L-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:34:36 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.69]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Imt6v-0002Fi-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:34:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 32793 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2007 15:27:33 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JaJsoSODUuTGDwjNcfdPrA809gv43u2W+XJvIjbyL9qn/Z8sIDMpMxp5L/9XizPrEIS5M6io9zbhDXpjKb7uIpJA6J9pIhgiUicYNjT47o8gwTD26hSU8VZMn1JUC/vSIw6NF8fOHlb6Z1RxaB8eiohlqJ8QvJtXVlhU2qZMTFE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.4.235 with login) by smtp809.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2007 15:27:32 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UAycqG0VM1npixb01A9MwXK3USBADXCnFtbx8FACRMlZ2.NSaT9DDZxn9Mx9qMkv4lKpT8H2Nw-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.503 [269.15.12/1098]); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:25:57 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c81b09$2b5e11e0$eb047ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001101c81a9a$0be1eae0$f11e7ad5@w4o8m9> <1148957206.20071030081706@gmx.de> <001f01c81aeb$c8d92590$0e00000a@AGB> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:25:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: EER Transverter and Linear Modes testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : Dear Graham, LF Group, Try searching under "envelope elimination restoration" or "Kahn modulation transmitter" - should get you several hundred thousand hits, but I haven't yet found a good general reference. I think a large proportion of modern big broadcast TXs use this technique to get high efficiency, and there is much current intrest for on-chip PAs in personal wireless digi-widgets of various kinds, but there is relatively little amateur-type material about this type of technique - amateurs generally seem to have rather fallen behind the times in TX hardware. There is a lot made of the intricacies of getting good linearity in this type of system, but with quite low carrier frequencies, and narrow modulation bandwidths, most of the difficulties are greatly reduced. I used a similar but bigger system on 136k a few years ago to get 1.2kW of PSK31 and "Wolf" BPSK - the 500kHz rig is intended to be a test-bed for a more versatile version. DF6NM's chirped-hell mode has both amplitude and phase modulation, so it is definitely a "linear" mode. As in Hartmut's screen shot (thanks, Hartmut !), it produces intelligible characters directly on the spectrogram screen. As such, it isn't really a keyboard to keyboard mode - operating is similar to QRSS, at similar "slow" speed. But the EER rig should work with pretty much any digital mode - so far I have only tried it with PSK31 because that's what is on my PC at the moment. I was wondering what modes people were trying / thinking of trying, so that I could get hold of the neccessary software and figure out how to work it! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: LF: EER Transverter and Linear Modes testing > ? Is this a keyboard-keyboard mode ? is it linea or 'fsk' > > EER Transverter , not seeing anything on google, is there a link for it ? > > Tnx > > G .. >