X-GM-THRID: 1247139511449147780 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.86.2.20 with SMTP id 20cs68326fgb; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.244.11 with SMTP id r11mr3895685ugh.1189368999952; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si3230707ugn.2007.09.09.13.16.36; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IUTAW-00046f-Py for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:14:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IUTAW-00046W-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:14:08 +0100 Received: from smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.233] helo=smtpout07.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IUTAS-0002pB-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:14:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 4339 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2007 20:13:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.177.53.244) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 09 Sep 2007 20:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <46E4467F.5000903@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:16:15 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20070905210445.47ec6573@lurcher.twatt.local> <009801c7f015$16b3cc90$0d00000a@AGB> <001e01c7f189$0d8bd570$0e00000a@AGB> <003f01c7f19a$37f1f590$0e00000a@AGB> <861404727.20070908002340@gmx.de> <008c01c7f19f$58c1abd0$0e00000a@AGB> <519019685.20070908003918@gmx.de> <000c01c7f1a2$1e015bf0$0e00000a@AGB> <002201c7f314$3a48bf10$0d00000a@AGB> In-Reply-To: <002201c7f314$3a48bf10$0d00000a@AGB> X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: Re: LF: Dual mode data test QPSK31(503.2) + PSKAM10 (503.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 Graham, > According to the 'printed word' the PSKAM10 mode is supposed to be > quite robust .. The printed word is correct, at least to a point. PSKAM10 (only available in F6CTE's MultiPSK program)is definitely more robust than straight PSK31. This comes less from the lower data rate than the transmission of each character twice. It takes up less BW than straight PSK31. Its biggest shortcoming appears to be in establishing initial decoder sync. Sometimes, during a fade, the decoder will go "on walkabout," and not re-sync for some time. That can be a bit annoying. Patrick suggests that his PSKFEC31 offers better decoder sync behavior. I have run PSKAM10 on 137 kHz a number of times, both at full power and in low power tests over a 200 km path. Jay and I have had several QSO's in this mode, and it has been well behaved. The mode's noise behavior is much better than straight PSK31. Interesting alternatives would be the PSK08 mode in Spectrum Lab, and JASON Fast. I'm looking forward to seeing how some of these things work with the more rapid fading at 500 kHz. Hopefully, someone will give your PSKAM10 beacon a try, and report the results. The MultiPSK program may be downloaded at http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm . John Andrews, W1TAG