X-GM-THRID: 1246846798684106604 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.86.2.20 with SMTP id 20cs22829fgb; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr733781ugh.1189126321003; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i30si1122604ugd.2007.09.06.17.51.54; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 17:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ITRzY-00053k-Oe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:46:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ITRzY-00053b-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:46:36 +0100 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.de ([194.25.134.20] helo=mailout08.sul.t-online.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ITRzV-0003uR-Ft for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 01:46:36 +0100 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.aul.t-online.de with smtp id 1ITRzP-0001hE-00; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:46:27 +0200 Received: from 192.168.2.22 (TQSNzZZH8ewDYdFQzZsjozS6zk5ipJVKUovgzLRTZMbNqzWGW6Tu8K@[217.95.78.13]) by fwd26.t-online.de with esmtp id 1ITRzG-0EbF0C0; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:46:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References: In-Reply-To: To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.04.0003 Date: 07 Sep 2007 00:45 GMT Message-ID: <1ITRzG-0EbF0C0@fwd26.t-online.de> X-ID: TQSNzZZH8ewDYdFQzZsjozS6zk5ipJVKUovgzLRTZMbNqzWGW6Tu8K X-TOI-MSGID: dd443cb3-6e2a-4535-b2c0-582f1abec094 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: BOG - Beverage on the Ground Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 574 "John Pumford-Green GM4SLV" schrieb: > Hi LF gang, > > In my sked last night with Finbar (best conditions for some weeks) we > discussed mini-beverage antennas laid directly on the ground. I've done > a Google trawl and there's a bit evidence that they work well. > > I have a need to keep things low-profile due to all the adjacent fields > being used for sheep, so running a long (100-200m) wire on the ground is > attractive. I could even run it outside the fenceline along the verge > beside the road - I'm in a very rural area. > > Does anyone have any experience of using BOGs on 500kHz? > > John > Gm4SLV > > Dear John, in my available space in my garden I have not yet considered to try a beverage antenna. But I receive all VLF to MF signals (including the german DI-beacons with an ERP of more than one watt) audible, using a simple untuned vertical one turn wire loop of just 15 meters circumference, pointing to the north, the lower wire being 2 meters above ground (so that it is no obstacle when my wife is walking in the garden). I regard the reactive impedance XL of this loop (which is dependent on frequency, of course) as source resistance and match it to a coaxial cable via a torodial ferrite transformer, thus making the loop independent or floating to ground. As the loop area is quite small, noise ist also low, and a preamplifier may be useful. But as this simple loop is broadband and will also receive the powerful broadcast bands, an input selectivity may become necessary before a preamplifier, especially with larger loops. So far I do not have any experience, however, with loops lying on the ground. I guess loops should have a certain plane or area above ground (long beverages may be different), independent of their form. Mine is a triangle. In general I have experienced that loops close to the ground will be as sensitive as high T or L antennas. Therefore I can recommend very much to experiment with loops or even beverages. The match to beverages is determined by its load resistance, of course. My QTH is in southern Germany, eastern Bavaria, also rather rural, but far from the sea. HW? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB