X-GM-THRID: 1246950323278533706 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.86.2.20 with SMTP id 20cs36093fgb; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.28.2 with SMTP id f2mr1509036ugj.1189184496912; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e33si4065267ugd.2007.09.07.10.01.32; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; domainkeys=hardfail (test mode) header.From=james.moritz@btopenworld.com Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ITh9z-0002ER-OI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:58:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ITh9z-0002EI-3S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:58:23 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ITh9u-0006IK-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:58:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 94366 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2007 16:58:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=wNdBWopQGnXAeeUj+FCt3iSXx4W58LgTSLoR8ZdYaDuhHNVzTMyUYBPxwSmpkbWwC4ca9fAnrQpZl5ShGUMvbGpPyWeJc9/mzIyo19yzX9DWE54SbziOT323KsvVEbHeBu93tqsb+7YfddSj68v+DSJ0YUCzrCEw0C4B15lUQxE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.43.14 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Sep 2007 16:58:12 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V8iJ9sQVM1mRExn027dUNn3F4PZFiV1XiyEFnZo.MZjBklSORX85k202MCJsgvqonYaX.0Y1_O3akEqJRASgvW6TOGNW Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.485 [269.13.8/993]); Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:57:20 +0100 Message-ID: <004701c7f170$27389800$0e2b7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:57:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.282,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: [500]: LOG? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 Dear Dave, LF Group, I have tried this - turning the plane of the loop horizontal more-or-less nulls out all the signals, tending to confirm the theory that there isn't much horizontally polarised signal near ground level. A side effect with a high-Q tuned loop is that if it is near the ground, it will be knocked out of tune by the combination of extra stray capacitance and the "shorted turn" effect of the ground. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: LF: [500]: BOG - Beverage on the Ground & GM4SLV report > EWE - is that a sheep? > > I use a 1.8m square 2-turn loop "stealth" RX antenna at my alternate QTH in > Devon. It is series tuned with a 1.8 nF capacitor, and it receives very > well. The bottom leg is very near the ground, and I am considering lying it > on its > side to get omni-directional reception (= "LOG"?) ;-) > > The ground conductivity is very poor, so it might well work. >