Return-Path: Received: from rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (rly-xa05.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.41]) by air-xa04.mail.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILINXA44-7346fd23ad1c6; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:54:30 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-xa05.mx.aol.com (v119.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXA55-7346fd23ad1c6; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:54:23 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IbI9y-0003m2-VX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:53:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IbI9y-0003lt-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:53:46 +0100 Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IbI9v-0005uE-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:53:46 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070928155317.LXKK4.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:53:17 +0100 Received: from enigma ([82.26.228.40]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with SMTP id <20070928155316.FTFU29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@enigma> for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:53:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001301c801e7$ad554960$28e41a52@enigma> From: "Malcolm Harman" To: References: <000a01c80132$aae29df0$83e41a52@enigma> <46FC071D.2090202@w1tag.com> <000601c801ae$38cc27a0$0fee1a52@enigma> <001d01c801c6$a918b420$0fee1a52@enigma> <000001c801dd$a0ecc1d0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <46FD1FBC.7080008@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : John. Scaling your figures to 500kHz that gives a distance of about 820 metres for 1% error, which ties in very nicely with my 955 metres, give or take. Malcolm (G3NZP) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: LF: A question of calibration > Andy, all, > > Last year, I did a MathCad analysis of the fields from a small vertical > and a small magnetic loop at 137 kHz. The program calculated the vector E > and H fields, and the magnitude of E/H for distances from 1 to 10 km. For > the vertical, there are three terms to consider for the E field, and two > for the H field. The situation is reversed with the loop, with three terms > for the H field, and two for the E field. > > Comparing the calculated |E/H| values with the "far field" value of 377 > ohms, the error was about 12% at 1 km and 1% at 3 km for both types of > antenna. The errors at 1 km were in opposite directions, as one would > expect, favoring the E field for the vertical, and the H field for the > loop. > > If you grant a measurement error of 1%, then it would be best to take > readings no closer than 3 km from a small 137 kHz antenna, which would be > lambda/(0.73). If higher errors are permissible, then you can move in, but > I'd have trouble recommending the 1 km figure at that frequency. > > As Andy points out, there is at least one other far-field concept that > doesn't apply to us LF hobbyists. That only refers to large antennas, > where the height of a vertical, for example, is significant compared to > the distance. A corollary occurs with multi-element arrays, where the > directional pattern is distorted if the spacing between the towers is > significant compared to the distance. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > >