X-GM-THRID: 1243604235242210761 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.87.11 with SMTP id k11cs151871wxb; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.162.14 with SMTP id k14mr1322983bue.1185993418796; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g17si1065068nfd.2007.08.01.11.36.53; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 11:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IGJ0U-0005ML-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:33:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IGJ0U-0005MC-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:33:14 +0100 Received: from smtp-2.orange.nl ([193.252.22.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IGJ0R-0007qz-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:33:14 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6112.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1A7891C00085 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:33:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by mwinf6112.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 05CF21C00082 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:33:02 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070801183303238.05CF21C00082@mwinf6112.orange.nl From: "Victor van Kooten" To: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 18:32:54 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <006b01c7d3ba$78370d00$0300a8c0@lark> Importance: Normal X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500 Permit Allocation conditions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 419 Couldn't say it better Alan, Good luck with this fine hobby, 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Alan Melia Verzonden: dinsdag 31 juli 2007 21:34 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: 500 Permit Allocation conditions With the realisation that this is not a limited access reflector and anyone can join and monitor the traffic. Let us assume that an official from Ofcom has decided to see how their Experimental Permit users are getting along, and subscribes to the Group. What does he hear today but a lot of moaning about not being able to operate if there are more than two signals in the 4khz allocation and suggestion of limiting it to manual morse (Note QRSS is "CW" !) Where he thinks are all those innovative people who were going to people this allocation with novel techniques for using the low power allowed and coexisting in the narrow allocation. As a professional in the field where manual morse has beed phased out he may be forgiven for thinking that there is no experimentation going on and that there will be no need to extend the permit when it lapses next year. Anyway if the operatiors have no use for a 4khz chunk then what point is there in considering an allocation here are there are no larger slots available?. Yes they dont think like amateurs in the "corridors of power" One final question why did it matter that it sounded like bedlam in this country today? I though everyone was trying to see whether there signal could be heard in Spain, not in the UK. I havent seen any complaint from Jose-Manual yet ! I think some awareness of the nature of this reflector needs to be taken into account, before you let out all your histrionics. You could be sinking a awfull lot of work by several people to get this allocation at all.....dont mess it up ! Cheers de Alan G3NYK