X-GM-THRID: 1243530832131854599 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.87.11 with SMTP id k11cs125879wxb; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr1164846ugl.1185953026553; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d25si396684nfh.2007.08.01.00.23.43; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IG8Ut-0003VK-0Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:19:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IG8Us-0003VB-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:19:54 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IG8Uq-00055A-SQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:19:54 +0100 Received: from lurcher.twatt.local (lurcher.twatt.local [127.0.1.1]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD76DDA4E3 for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:19:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:19:50 +0100 From: John Pumford-Green To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20070801081950.7d61a1d6@lurcher.twatt.local> In-Reply-To: <004301c7d3c7$5515e780$fd1a7ad5@w4o8m9> References: <006b01c7d3ba$78370d00$0300a8c0@lark> <004301c7d3c7$5515e780$fd1a7ad5@w4o8m9> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.6.0 (GTK+ 2.10.11; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 Permit Allocation conditions / Beacon reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1575 On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:05:47 +0100 "James Moritz" wrote: > I support wholeheartedly G3NYK's opinion re the 500kHz allocation - I > have been becoming increasingly baffled by the arguments about band > plans, about which mode not to use, and the supposed congestion on > 500kHz. I'm drawn to the band from a sense of nostalgia for the way it was used in the past and would dearly love to be able to use this area of spectrum as a CW paradise, thereby keeping it free of commercial users/broadcasting and available for marine radio "museum stations" and also to provide a corpus of available amateur stations already installed and profficient in morse operation on MF in case of emergency. Imagine slipping the phones on and tapping out one simple CQ on a designated "calling" channel (say 500kHz dead) and getting a reponse "GM4SLV de GM4XXX QSW 503r5" "R up" "up ee" "ee". Oh happy days... At the moment though this isn't operating method isn't wholly feasible due to the ERP restrictions and the "Experimental" nature of the allocation. Hopefully this is a temporary phase that will lead to wider spectrum, greater power and more general availability. Random CW QSOs may be very (ARE!!) enjoyable, and add much to each stations' own knowledge but I don't think they can gather enough data about the vagaries of weak signal propagation in the short time period we've been given by OFCOM. I think beacons (CW or QRSS) are a necessary evil unless we can guarantee plenty of CW QSOs over the full 24 hour period. Also though, as Dave 'YMC correctly states = the research goes beyond "how far can you get"... One of the outcomes for me has been a great deal of the old "self-tuition in radio telegraphy" that used to be at the heart of the amateur licence. I've learned an enourmous amount about a totally new area of radio just getting this far, building a TX (and another better one waiting to come on the air, antenna design with a mathematical approach to estimate efficiency and the tuning/loading needed...etc...etc.. I hope to have many, many more CW contacts and continue my education. Real CW contacts should be at the heart of 500 and something to be striven for. They are (especially from remote parts) though "the icing on the cake". Other modes may have to be employed to test and improve ones installation and knowledge of conditions on this "band". I didn't get to hear the "bedlam" yesterday as the weather was too poor up here to erect my new antenna so I'm QRT until a suitable break in the weather arrives, but I'd have thought that a few days where as many possible signals are present to enable receiving tests at a remote location would be a perfect example of "special research". The ex-Radio Officers who desire to preserve 500 as a "museum" frequency are increasingly aware that they need a critical mass of users to keep it out of the clutches of business & government money grabbers. Only the large numbers of capable amateurs who can, and will continue to, use CW morse telegraphy, will fill this need. The professionals aren't being replaced with new morse operators and will eventually all be gone ;-( We will be able to replace them and even provide manpower to activate any historic coastal radio ostations that are preserved as museums in the future. Outside the "midlands & south" - and I count everything south of the Tyne as "midlands & south" - just look at a real map with a ruler and see where the geographical middle is! - there is a paucity of activity and what there is is well spread - GW in the west to GM(..GZ!?) in the north and not much in between. As for band plans...that seems to have blown out of all proportion! I'd have thought a simple ========================================= continuous beacons: up at the top live contacts : down the bottom and anything else: find a free frequency ========================================= No need to go to town! Cheers, John